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PeonForHer -> RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... (8/4/2014 5:01:26 PM)
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1) Tu quoque. Red herring, too. The fact that it's registered to an ex-Israeli IntOfc doesn't mean it's untrue. In fact, registration doesn't mean editorial control nor does it mean denial of facts. Failure to translate hate speeches by Israelis (whoever it is that makes them) does not minimize the superfluity of hate speeches by Muslims, ones in power and with authority. A 4th-level functionary is not the same as an Abbas or a Netanyahu, for that matter.
I've answered the first part of that in my post to BitYakin. This is not how propagandising generally works. It works by channelling and focusing. Again, MEMRI, focuses on the bloodthirsty speeches of Muslims, but not on those of Israeli State. There are speeches and theses in abundance, and at the highest level, too. For instance:
"But this piece comes among a litany of calls from within Israel, supporting the deliberate slaying of Palestinians civilians on the basis that – as banners going up across Jerusalem neighborhoods state: “There are no innocents in Gaza.”
This dehumanisation of Palestinians is reaching epidemic proportions within Israeli society, from top to bottom.
Israel’s Deputy Speaker Moshe Feiglin recently called for the total ‘elimination’ of Gaza, while ruling Likud Party lawmaker Ayalet Shaked called for the murder of Palestinian mothers and their children."
- Links to these points available at
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/signs-go-up-in-jerusalem-there-are-no-innocents-in-gaza/
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Historically, Muslims have sought conquest. There have been periods of retreat or passivity, almost all followed by war. Retreat occurs only in the face of defeat. Ask the Christians how pacifically they are coexisting with Muslims today. Or the Hindus. Or the Buddhists. Whether the CoC is in fashion today is irrelevant; question is whether Islamist philosophy and eschatology is fundamentally at antithetical to Western Civ. The answer is "yes ." Not all wars are explained by Islam, of course, but that does not mean that no wars are caused by Islam. In fact, many wars and most conflicts today are in fact caused by Islam, whether in democratic or in repressive (Russian, Chinese) societies. When your underlying belief is to strive for death, and when you have a religion whose name actually means "submission [to Allah's will]," what else could one expect.
Finally my criticisms pertain to the statements made, not to you personally, except insofar as your words represent a position you've taken. I think that's pretty clear.
Like I said, the 'Clash of Civilisations' thesis is out of fashion, now - and I think for very good reason. That is to say that the 'question is whether Islamist philosophy and eschatology is fundamentally at antithetical to Western Civ" is not a relevant question. The 'philosophy and eschatology' to which you point isn't of any use unless it explains, for instance, why Muslims do mix with those of non-Muslims for the most part quite happily. Most thinkers now have left the CoC behind. Instead, they've looked at other matters entirely.
For instance: people have historically fought over land and resources and, lo and behold, the Palestinians are sorely lacking in both. It seems almost perverse to me, frankly, to dwell on religion when there are many other fraught issues that are so blindingly, brilliantly obviously the causes of strife. Gaza has little fuel to keep itself going. There has been what looks like a deliberate policy by Israel to keep Gaza only just above the level of survival. We have heard how hospitals and schools have been hit by missiles. We don't need a great erudite search into history or culture to understand why this conflict is taking place. The reasons are much bigger and blunter and would pertain to most humans anywhere.
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