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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Ridiculous. The study basically states that children who are raised religiously and presumably have parents who taught them that religion (presumably Christianity) is true, were most likely to believe that the Bible is true. Duh.

Not so 'duh'. They also think fairies are true.

I believe in fairies.

And any other pretend figures?

Obama.

ah, I have it on very good authority that he is in fact a very real person.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

The problem with educating yourself is, as a person living in the XXI century, you simply can not understand the rethoric and simbolism of the bronze age, in the scriptures there is written a good and holy man offers for a gang rape his doughters to sedate an angry mob, I hope no presbyters take that suggestion litterally, but I don't know how many begin to study the history and social enviroment of those cultures in order to understand what that's really ment to teach. I think in the USA you don't have many medieval churches, but if you traveled or read about them you'll know they all have paintings depicting biblical characters and usually animals, in a time where almost no one could read those images had a very clear meaning and were there to educate people, to us are just old art and without being spoonfed by an art historyan what those allegories meant there is noway I could tell myself. This makes me think, if being born in a time where alfabethization is the norm I can't understand what was clear for a peasant 1000 years ago how can I correctly understand the meaning of a text in the words of a 3000 years ago person?
This is the same problem when I hear the sentence: "I'm not a scientist, but I thought about it and I believe..." this only means you are so ignorant you don't even realize how complicated is the issue, and to reconnect with the OP this is an attitude found in people with strong religious believes. The good thing with having been spoonfed during catechism is you do not adapt your believs to your personal bias brainwashing yourself, but growing up you can realize how meaningless those precepts are and move on more easily.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

The problem with educating yourself is, as a person living in the XXI century, you simply can not understand the rethoric and simbolism of the bronze age, in the scriptures there is written a good and holy man offers for a gang rape his doughters to sedate an angry mob, I hope no presbyters take that suggestion litterally, but I don't know how many begin to study the history and social enviroment of those cultures in order to understand what that's really ment to teach. I think in the USA you don't have many medieval churches, but if you traveled or read about them you'll know they all have paintings depicting biblical characters and usually animals, in a time where almost no one could read those images had a very clear meaning and were there to educate people, to us are just old art and without being spoonfed by an art historyan what those allegories meant there is noway I could tell myself. This makes me think, if being born in a time where alfabethization is the norm I can't understand what was clear for a peasant 1000 years ago how can I correctly understand the meaning of a text in the words of a 3000 years ago person?
This is the same problem when I hear the sentence: "I'm not a scientist, but I thought about it and I believe..." this only means you are so ignorant you don't even realize how complicated is the issue, and to reconnect with the OP this is an attitude found in people with strong religious believes. The good thing with having been spoonfed during catechism is you do not adapt your believs to your personal bias brainwashing yourself, but growing up you can realize how meaningless those precepts are and move on more easily.

I understand your point, but nobody *gave* me a classical education. I just happened to be a voracious reader with a fire in my belly to seek out knowledge. This was before the Information Age and the Internet. Old school.

It also helps to have a love for social studies, ancient history, archaeology, cultural anthropology, mythology and comparative religions, among other subjects.

Our ancestors, some of whom may have been illiterate peasants, have an excuse. In this day and age, our children and contemporaries do not.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

But you thought there were codes in the bible and other untrue things so just how good was this self taught "classical education?" Did you read the Iliad? How about the Odyssey? When you studied geometry did you read any or all of 13 volumes of Elements?

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Perhaps they were related? So-called *puritanical* attitudes toward love-making are not limited to the God-fearing nor to the God-less.

I was unaware that anyone was instructing the godless about kinquie sex only the religious. Maybe I don't get out enough.

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Because we were discusing the fact that children are subject to their parents. They are not in a position to go and seek out information that is contrary to what the authority figure in their lives says is true. That authority figure is pimping a particular religious agenda. Which religions do you know of that preach non marital sex? Which religions do you know of that preach kinquie sex? Which churches do you know of that
would be willing to buy advertising space on this site?
We as individuals may of course do as you sugest...but that is not the case.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

As to not being in a position to go seek out information, not so much when we were growing up, but kids nowadays have access to all kinds of stuff. At two and three-years-old, they are playing computer games.

I do not believe that any responsible parent would give their children unsupervised access to the net before they had a drivers license...The license being an indicator of responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Is there anyone among us who has had the *perfect* parents or the *perfect* childhood? No, of course not. But you know what? Responsible, loving parents of whatever persuasion want what's best for their kids and do the best they can with what they have to work with. Can you genuinely ask for anything more?

Yes I can ask for more. I can ask that they stop lying to their children.

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But you thought there were codes in the bible and other untrue things so just how good was this self taught "classical education?" Did you read the Iliad? How about the Odyssey? When you studied geometry did you read any or all of 13 volumes of Elements?

Sneer all you want to. I'm in much better company with Sir Isaac Newton, the physician Nostradamus, and Einstein than with the likes of you.

If you really must know, I don't believe in fortune-telling. Much of what those involved with working these Bible codes are doing is to make future predictions.

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There are certain disciplines which fools should not be directed towards. Your own skepticism and disbelief actually serves to protect you from yourself.

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You totally evaded the questions. You claimed a self taught classical education. Those 3 works are considered the very basics of a classical education. Did you read all of them?

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As for Euclid's Geometry, my 7th grade Geometry teacher was pretty impressed when I came up with an obscure theorem she'd never heard of. It was a twist on the Pythagorean, but less efficient.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/18/researchers-children-exposed-to-religion-have-difficulty-distinguishing-fact-from-fiction/

I found this article about how children exposed to religious indoctrination don't possess the same skepticism as non religious children and as such have more trouble determining reality from fantasy.

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You are making the assumption that all religious teachings are tantamount to brainwashing, and that simply isn't correct.

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Brainwashing can take place in any type of environment--secular, spiritual (non-religious in the conventional sense), geo-political, what have you.

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You are making the assumption that all religious teachings are tantamount to brainwashing, and that simply isn't correct.

No I'm not making that assumption. I'm just making the assumption that all religious brainwashing is brainwashing.

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Brainwashing can take place in any type of environment--secular, spiritual (non-religious in the conventional sense), geo-political, what have you.

Agreed.

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The problem with educating yourself is, as a person living in the XXI century, you simply can not understand the rethoric and simbolism of the bronze age, in the scriptures there is written a good and holy man offers for a gang rape his doughters to sedate an angry mob, I hope no presbyters take that suggestion litterally, but I don't know how many begin to study the history and social enviroment of those cultures in order to understand what that's really ment to teach. I think in the USA you don't have many medieval churches, but if you traveled or read about them you'll know they all have paintings depicting biblical characters and usually animals, in a time where almost no one could read those images had a very clear meaning and were there to educate people, to us are just old art and without being spoonfed by an art historyan what those allegories meant there is noway I could tell myself. This makes me think, if being born in a time where alfabethization is the norm I can't understand what was clear for a peasant 1000 years ago how can I correctly understand the meaning of a text in the words of a 3000 years ago person?
This is the same problem when I hear the sentence: "I'm not a scientist, but I thought about it and I believe..." this only means you are so ignorant you don't even realize how complicated is the issue, and to reconnect with the OP this is an attitude found in people with strong religious believes. The good thing with having been spoonfed during catechism is you do not adapt your believs to your personal bias brainwashing yourself, but growing up you can realize how meaningless those precepts are and move on more easily.

I understand your point, but nobody *gave* me a classical education. I just happened to be a voracious reader with a fire in my belly to seek out knowledge. This was before the Information Age and the Internet. Old school.

It also helps to have a love for social studies, ancient history, archaeology, cultural anthropology, mythology and comparative religions, among other subjects.

Our ancestors, some of whom may have been illiterate peasants, have an excuse. In this day and age, our children and contemporaries do not.