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GotSteel -> Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 2:26:27 PM)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/18/researchers-children-exposed-to-religion-have-difficulty-distinguishing-fact-from-fiction/

I found this article about how children exposed to religious indoctrination don't possess the same skepticism as non religious children and as such have more trouble determining reality from fantasy.



kinksterparty -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 2:48:11 PM)

People exposed to any kind of indoctrination - religious, political, or social - are generally less able to distinguish facts from opinions.

However, the cause and effect sequence is debatable.

Are they unable to distinguish because they've been indoctrinated - or were they able to be indoctrinated because they didn't have the capacity to differentiate from the start?



thompsonx -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 2:52:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kinksterparty

People exposed to any kind of indoctrination - religious, political, or social - are generally less able to distinguish facts from opinions.

However, the cause and effect sequence is debatable.

Are they unable to distinguish because they've been indoctrinated - or were they able to be indoctrinated because they didn't have the capacity to differentiate from the start?


Pretty sure he is talking about kids....so capacity is hardly an issue.



Kirata -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 3:16:21 PM)


From your link...

religious teaching, especially exposure to miracle stories, leads children to a more generic receptivity toward the impossible, that is, a more wide-ranging acceptance that the impossible can happen in defiance of ordinary causal relations

This study appears to confirm that children exposed to religious teachings are less likely to regard the Materialist assumption with the same degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional.

Oh, horrors.

K.



DomKen -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 4:19:52 PM)

When sane people approach a door they do not pray to the daemon of portals to reveal how the door will be opened nor do they cast lots to foretell how to operate the latch. They turn the knob and go through based on prior experience with doors and observation of how doors have opened in the past.. That is the so called materialist assumption. All sane people use it all the time. There is no other way to interact with the world. People who dismiss it are deluded or liars.



deathtothepixies -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 4:23:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


From your link...

religious teaching, especially exposure to miracle stories, leads children to a more generic receptivity toward the impossible, that is, a more wide-ranging acceptance that the impossible can happen in defiance of ordinary causal relations

This study appears to confirm that children exposed to religious teachings are less likely to regard the Materialist assumption with the same degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional.

Oh, horrors.

K.


or those kids will believe any old bollocks peddled to them and not care if it has any basis in reality or science, those kids are really going to move things forward aren't they?

So, yeah, I can see a bit of horror in that



Kirata -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 5:10:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

When sane people approach a door they do not pray to the daemon of portals to reveal how the door will be opened nor do they cast lots to foretell how to operate the latch. They turn the knob and go through based on prior experience with doors and observation of how doors have opened in the past.. That is the so called materialist assumption.

Well no, Ken. That's not the Materialist assumption, nor does learning from experience affirm a sweeping Materialist assumption about the ultimate nature of the entire reality.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

All sane people use it all the time. There is no other way to interact with the world. People who dismiss it are deluded or liars.

Since you are one who regards the Materialist assumption with a degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional (link), I want to thank you for your nicely illustrative comment about "sane" people versus the "deluded or liars."

K.



DomKen -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 5:34:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

When sane people approach a door they do not pray to the daemon of portals to reveal how the door will be opened nor do they cast lots to foretell how to operate the latch. They turn the knob and go through based on prior experience with doors and observation of how doors have opened in the past.. That is the so called materialist assumption.

Well no, Ken. That's not the Materialist assumption, nor does learning from experience affirm a sweeping Materialist assumption about the ultimate nature of the entire reality.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

All sane people use it all the time. There is no other way to interact with the world. People who dismiss it are deluded or liars.

Since you are one who regards the Materialist assumption with a degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional (link), I want to thank you for your nicely illustrative comment about "sane" people versus the "deluded or liars."

K.


Oh but it is. You just refuse to acknowledge it. You don't like reality but that doesn't change reality.

BTW attempting to equate reality with religion also doesn't change anything it just makes you look foolish. So now you will retreat to snark, insults and pictures of poorly translated signs because you are incapable of making a compelling defense of your position.



Kirata -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 5:44:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

attempting to equate reality with religion also doesn't change anything it just makes you look foolish. So now you will retreat to snark, insults and pictures of poorly translated signs because you are incapable of making a compelling defense of your position.

In all non-snarky seriousness, Ken, making shit up just makes you look foolish.

K.



DomKen -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 5:49:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

attempting to equate reality with religion also doesn't change anything it just makes you look foolish. So now you will retreat to snark, insults and pictures of poorly translated signs because you are incapable of making a compelling defense of your position.

In all non-snarky seriousness, Ken, making shit up just makes you look foolish.

K.


So you didn't post this?
quote:

Since you are one who regards the Materialist assumption with a degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional (link), I want to thank you for your nicely illustrative comment about "sane" people versus the "deluded or liars."

You should contact a mod forth with someone has hacked your account.



Kirata -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 5:57:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

attempting to equate reality with religion also doesn't change anything it just makes you look foolish. So now you will retreat to snark, insults and pictures of poorly translated signs because you are incapable of making a compelling defense of your position.

In all non-snarky seriousness, Ken, making shit up just makes you look foolish.

So you didn't post this?
quote:

Since you are one who regards the Materialist assumption with a degree of fervor that compels its faithful to enshrine it as a "fact," proclaim it the final arbiter of what is "real" and "possible," and dismiss all other views as delusional (link), I want to thank you for your nicely illustrative comment about "sane" people versus the "deluded or liars."

You should contact a mod forth with someone has hacked your account.

The problem, Ken, is that the quote you cite doesn't support your claim. It doesn't "equate reality with religion." That's how it's supposed to work, see? You have a nice day now.

K.



TheHeretic -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 6:13:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/18/researchers-children-exposed-to-religion-have-difficulty-distinguishing-fact-from-fiction/

I found this article about how children exposed to religious indoctrination don't possess the same skepticism as non religious children and as such have more trouble determining reality from fantasy.




So, since you've said you were raised with religion, are you offering this an excuse for your variety of faith-based proselytizing, GotSteel?



PeonForHer -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 7:24:25 PM)

FR: In light of this research, finding the optimum strategy for teaching young kids seems pretty straightforward, to me: teach them fairy stories so that they carry on wondering and imagining about the 'reality' that they take for granted - but don't bullshit them that said fairy stories are anything other than fairy stories. There you go: sorted.



GotSteel -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 7:36:24 PM)

For fuck sake man stop feeding him.

He's in favor of crippling children's ability to differentiate between reality and fantasy. You're not going to be able to reason with that, back away slowly with a look of horror on your face and hit the hide button.



GotSteel -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 7:41:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kinksterparty
Are they unable to distinguish because they've been indoctrinated - or were they able to be indoctrinated because they didn't have the capacity to differentiate from the start?


According to this study they have the capacity "from the start" and religious indoctrination breaks it.



DarkSteven -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 7:44:55 PM)

Ridiculous. The study basically states that children who are raised religiously and presumably have parents who taught them that religion (presumably Christianity) is true, were most likely to believe that the Bible is true. Duh.



Kirata -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 7:59:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

For fuck sake man stop feeding him.

He's in favor of crippling children's ability to differentiate between reality and fantasy.

[8|]

K.




GotSteel -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 8:00:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Ridiculous. The study basically states that children who are raised religiously and presumably have parents who taught them that religion (presumably Christianity) is true, were most likely to believe that the Bible is true. Duh.


And that the tooth fairy is true and that leprechauns are true and that ancient aliens are true etcetera. The point of the study is that this indoctrinated gullibility doesn't stop when they put the Bible down.



cloudboy -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 8:20:18 PM)


I think the point is less about truth and more about social values and order. Arguably the latter two are more important to people.



AlphamaleinTX -> RE: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction (7/18/2014 8:23:14 PM)

Sure glad you folks weren't around in the age of Einstein, Tesla and so many other great inventors...



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