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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/23/2014 5:03:21 PM   
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You know, when you read that article you find that Soros does the same thing, although he spends more on foreign schools. And oddly enough, his funds go to support programs at the universities which are near and dear to the liberals dear little hearts (because there just isn't enough liberal ideas coming out of colleges with their normal funding.

But, of course, the Koch Brothers do support conservative ideas taught alongside liberal ideas at colleges.

Bastards...

out of that whole article all you retained was a tiny section detailing the fact that Soros donates some money to a university in Hungary he founded?

The fact the Koch's are making contributions where they control hiring and research decisions didn't register?
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/10/165015/koch-florida-state/
Actually, I got out of it what you did...the knowledge that the Koch Brothers donate to schools in order to boost conservative ideas on college campuses. I also learned that while Soros donates much of his money to foreign schools, he donates to schools here in the U.S. in support of liberal ideology. Unlike you on the subject of the Koch Brothers, I didn't get hung up on Soros and his contributions and where they're directed.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/23/2014 5:42:49 PM   
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If you believe the myth that colleges today are bastions of liberal ideas, then it's been a while since you've spent time on a campus engaged in academics.

Zombies. Parrots. Incompetent at even basic scholastic tasks -- research, critical thinking, constructing argument, analysis. Provincial. Lacking intellectual curiosity.




It has been awhile since I've been on a college campus. However, I did find this survey conducted every 3 years or so by the University of California at L.A. Higher Education Research Institute somewhat disturbing: insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/surfer-finds-professor

And you can find another disturbing story about political bias on campus in The Washington Times article from August 1, 2012: www.washingtontimes.com/2012/Aug/1/liberal-majority-on-campus

(My apologies if the links do not work...still learning my smart phone)

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/23/2014 6:18:44 PM   
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You know, when you read that article you find that Soros does the same thing, although he spends more on foreign schools. And oddly enough, his funds go to support programs at the universities which are near and dear to the liberals dear little hearts (because there just isn't enough liberal ideas coming out of colleges with their normal funding.

But, of course, the Koch Brothers do support conservative ideas taught alongside liberal ideas at colleges.

Bastards...

out of that whole article all you retained was a tiny section detailing the fact that Soros donates some money to a university in Hungary he founded?

The fact the Koch's are making contributions where they control hiring and research decisions didn't register?
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/10/165015/koch-florida-state/
Actually, I got out of it what you did...the knowledge that the Koch Brothers donate to schools in order to boost conservative ideas on college campuses. I also learned that while Soros donates much of his money to foreign schools, he donates to schools here in the U.S. in support of liberal ideology. Unlike you on the subject of the Koch Brothers, I didn't get hung up on Soros and his contributions and where they're directed.


Boosting ideas is one thing but controlling hiring and research is another.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/23/2014 7:30:05 PM   
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Academic "studies" frequently "find" what they decided to go find.

Research is a rarity these days.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/23/2014 7:57:16 PM   
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Academic "studies" frequently "find" what they decided to go find.

Research is a rarity these days.


If thats true, lets see you find some studies that declare that campuses have a decidedly conservative bias.

Should be easy enough...

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 4:16:57 AM   
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The Koch Bothers are immensely wealthy.




yes they are and it seems a lot of people really hate that about them.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 7:45:25 AM   
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Academic "studies" frequently "find" what they decided to go find.

Research is a rarity these days.


If thats true, lets see you find some studies that declare that campuses have a decidedly conservative bias.

Should be easy enough...

Actually, your post is an example of the academic crisis. Everything is either/or to you. It's not "bias" per se, but incompetence and embracing only what we already think. It makes learning (and change) impossible.

And that's the hallmarks of today's perversion of what once was conservativism.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 9:10:30 AM   
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That knuckle-dragging leftist trolls such as yourself (who consider yourselves to be intellectual elites) can turn a challenge such as mine to you above into an attack on conservatism is what is truly wrong in academia these days

Really, if your inane blather has any weight to it, finding such studies and linking to them had ought to be a cakewalk (unless you keep tripping over your knuckles)

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 9:35:03 AM   
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Really, if your inane blather has any weight to it, finding such studies and linking to them had ought to be a cakewalk (unless you keep tripping over your knuckles)


That is some real clumsy grammar, and euphonically distateful as well.


But conservative colleges? Cmon you lazy bastard, look around you, find out rather than slobbering rants:

http://www.yaf.org/InnerPageTemplate.aspx?id=3368&terms=conservative+colleges

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 9:45:18 AM   
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clumsy grammar and euphonically distateful...slobbering rants




Kind of like a wind up toy with limited capabilities.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/24/2014 9:49:01 AM   
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clumsy grammar and euphonically distateful...slobbering rants




Kind of like a wind up toy with limited capabilities.



Sounds like he is talking about his own posts but I will give him credit for this line...

"Really, if your inane blather has any weight to it, finding such studies and linking to them had ought to be a cakewalk (unless you keep tripping over your knuckles) "

Maybe we should start a feisty equivalent to sunny's quotes.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/26/2014 4:48:33 PM   
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And they earned it.

Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?


They were born into a family with means.

Nowhere near (as in, like a moonshot) where their wealth stands today.

A man who was born with something to start out with is lucky indeed.

If he still has that same amount 10 years later, he's probably conservative.

If he's doubled it in 10 years, he has clear skills.

If however, he has multiplied it by several million times (as in multiplications of) 50 years later (as the Koch brothers indeed have), I'd say he (they) could have been given a bucket of shit as his inheritance and in the ensuing years would likely have become a master at selling fertilizer.

The Koch brothers are hardly examples of men who landed in a bucket of money and simply did nothing but enjoy the blessings of same. What they have today, they've earned.



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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/26/2014 4:50:09 PM   
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The Koch Bothers are immensely wealthy.




yes they are and it seems a lot of people really hate that about them.


Amazing eh?

(What's less amazing however is, it's generally those who haven't earned any wealth that feel this way).

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/26/2014 5:13:24 PM   
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And they earned it.

Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?


They were born into a family with means.

Nowhere near (as in, like a moonshot) where their wealth stands today.

A man who was born with something to start out with is lucky indeed.

If he still has that same amount 10 years later, he's probably conservative.

If he's doubled it in 10 years, he has clear skills.

If however, he has multiplied it by several million times (as in multiplications of) 50 years later (as the Koch brothers indeed have), I'd say he (they) could have been given a bucket of shit as his inheritance and in the ensuing years would likely have become a master at selling fertilizer.

The Koch brothers are hardly examples of men who landed in a bucket of money and simply did nothing but enjoy the blessings of same. What they have today, they've earned.



You need to check again. By reasonable calculation the Koch's have maintained the family wealth and that is about all. You are making the mistake of not taking into account inflation apparently. The estranged brother actually sued them over their mismanagement back in the 90's and won.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/27/2014 5:05:27 AM   
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And they earned it.

Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?


They were born into a family with means.

Nowhere near (as in, like a moonshot) where their wealth stands today.

A man who was born with something to start out with is lucky indeed.

If he still has that same amount 10 years later, he's probably conservative.

If he's doubled it in 10 years, he has clear skills.

If however, he has multiplied it by several million times (as in multiplications of) 50 years later (as the Koch brothers indeed have), I'd say he (they) could have been given a bucket of shit as his inheritance and in the ensuing years would likely have become a master at selling fertilizer.

The Koch brothers are hardly examples of men who landed in a bucket of money and simply did nothing but enjoy the blessings of same. What they have today, they've earned.



You need to check again. By reasonable calculation the Koch's have maintained the family wealth and that is about all. You are making the mistake of not taking into account inflation apparently. The estranged brother actually sued them over their mismanagement back in the 90's and won.


Dom (cough) Ken, do your homework before you flap your lips.

Dad invented a unique process for "cracking" oil.....decades ago (1930 something).

Today that business (and affiliates/divisions) has annual sales in excess of 100 billion.

(Something tells me Dad wasn't worth 100 billion in 1930 {considering...no one was}).

The brother(s) that sued didn't win (there were two, not one), they were given a portion of the assets (in lieu of finalizing the suit, and they agreed happily to the number given) and later sued (again) because they felt they got ripped off because when they got their shares they were worth a billion or so (which they later sold), today they're worth multiple billions (and they have received no new funds, indeed, the second suit was thrown out of court).

Considering the two remaining brothers have taken a company worth a few million dollars (from Dad's time) to one with annual sales of north of 100 billion, I'd submit their "mismanagement" has been somewhat successful.

(And vastly in excess of inflation).



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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/27/2014 6:48:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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And they earned it.

Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?


They were born into a family with means.

Nowhere near (as in, like a moonshot) where their wealth stands today.

A man who was born with something to start out with is lucky indeed.

If he still has that same amount 10 years later, he's probably conservative.

If he's doubled it in 10 years, he has clear skills.

If however, he has multiplied it by several million times (as in multiplications of) 50 years later (as the Koch brothers indeed have), I'd say he (they) could have been given a bucket of shit as his inheritance and in the ensuing years would likely have become a master at selling fertilizer.

The Koch brothers are hardly examples of men who landed in a bucket of money and simply did nothing but enjoy the blessings of same. What they have today, they've earned.



You need to check again. By reasonable calculation the Koch's have maintained the family wealth and that is about all. You are making the mistake of not taking into account inflation apparently. The estranged brother actually sued them over their mismanagement back in the 90's and won.


Dom (cough) Ken, do your homework before you flap your lips.

Dad invented a unique process for "cracking" oil.....decades ago (1930 something).

Today that business (and affiliates/divisions) has annual sales in excess of 100 billion.

(Something tells me Dad wasn't worth 100 billion in 1930 {considering...no one was}).

The brother(s) that sued didn't win (there were two, not one), they were given a portion of the assets (in lieu of finalizing the suit, and they agreed happily to the number given) and later sued (again) because they felt they got ripped off because when they got their shares they were worth a billion or so (which they later sold), today they're worth multiple billions (and they have received no new funds, indeed, the second suit was thrown out of court).

Considering the two remaining brothers have taken a company worth a few million dollars (from Dad's time) to one with annual sales of north of 100 billion, I'd submit their "mismanagement" has been somewhat successful.

(And vastly in excess of inflation).



The brother's inherited a company worth tens of billions, dad died in 1967, and they have simply kept it going (inflation for nearly 50 years is a great thing). The brother who sued did win in 2001. He received a settlement, along with the feds and an Indian reservation, the brothers got caught stealing oil from the reservation. The other brother has stayed out of the family business entirely, he's an art collector or some such. Maybe you should actually know what you are talking about before running your damn fool mouth.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/27/2014 3:24:06 PM   
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That knuckle-dragging leftist trolls such as yourself (who consider yourselves to be intellectual elites) can turn a challenge such as mine to you above into an attack on conservatism is what is truly wrong in academia these days

Really, if your inane blather has any weight to it, finding such studies and linking to them had ought to be a cakewalk (unless you keep tripping over your knuckles)

You are *so* stuck in either/or thinking that you can't even recognize you're doing it or imagine any other way.

It's why your knuckles hurt.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/27/2014 4:47:54 PM   
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You are *so* stuck in either/or thinking that you can't even recognize you're doing it or imagine any other way.

You give him a lot of credit by assuming there's any thinking happening there at all.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/27/2014 11:56:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
And they earned it.

Don't you mean they had the luck to be born to the right father? If papa Koch hadn't built the soviet oil industry when no one else would where would they be now?


They were born into a family with means.

Nowhere near (as in, like a moonshot) where their wealth stands today.

A man who was born with something to start out with is lucky indeed.

If he still has that same amount 10 years later, he's probably conservative.

If he's doubled it in 10 years, he has clear skills.

If however, he has multiplied it by several million times (as in multiplications of) 50 years later (as the Koch brothers indeed have), I'd say he (they) could have been given a bucket of shit as his inheritance and in the ensuing years would likely have become a master at selling fertilizer.

The Koch brothers are hardly examples of men who landed in a bucket of money and simply did nothing but enjoy the blessings of same. What they have today, they've earned.



You need to check again. By reasonable calculation the Koch's have maintained the family wealth and that is about all. You are making the mistake of not taking into account inflation apparently. The estranged brother actually sued them over their mismanagement back in the 90's and won.


Dom (cough) Ken, do your homework before you flap your lips.

Dad invented a unique process for "cracking" oil.....decades ago (1930 something).

Today that business (and affiliates/divisions) has annual sales in excess of 100 billion.

(Something tells me Dad wasn't worth 100 billion in 1930 {considering...no one was}).

The brother(s) that sued didn't win (there were two, not one), they were given a portion of the assets (in lieu of finalizing the suit, and they agreed happily to the number given) and later sued (again) because they felt they got ripped off because when they got their shares they were worth a billion or so (which they later sold), today they're worth multiple billions (and they have received no new funds, indeed, the second suit was thrown out of court).

Considering the two remaining brothers have taken a company worth a few million dollars (from Dad's time) to one with annual sales of north of 100 billion, I'd submit their "mismanagement" has been somewhat successful.

(And vastly in excess of inflation).



The brother's inherited a company worth tens of billions, dad died in 1967, and they have simply kept it going (inflation for nearly 50 years is a great thing). The brother who sued did win in 2001. He received a settlement, along with the feds and an Indian reservation, the brothers got caught stealing oil from the reservation. The other brother has stayed out of the family business entirely, he's an art collector or some such. Maybe you should actually know what you are talking about before running your damn fool mouth.


Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 2:53:27 AM   
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Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.

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