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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 1:51:27 PM   
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Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.


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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 2:30:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.


http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-08-24/news/william-bill-koch-the-other-koch-brother-tea-party/full/
quote:


In 2001, Bill Koch finally won a victory against his brothers. Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government in a settlement deal; in return, the feds dismissed charges that the company stole oil from Native American and federal lands. Bill Koch and his co-plaintiff shared $7.4 million, according to the Click|keyword[The+Center+for+Public+Integrity]">Center for Public Integrity.
That year, Bill, David, and Charles also signed an undisclosed settlement that ended the legal battles among them and helped repair their relationship.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 4:11:25 PM   
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You have no clue what I think.


Your posts tend to indicate that you do not either.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:08:22 PM   
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Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


You are so uninformed, it's pathetic.

I didn't even read your full diatribe.

Lose the leftist slant....read.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:14:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.



Shit, Des, name me one multinational corporation doing more than a billion (no less 115 billion) in sales, with 125,000 employees where one of same hasn't stepped off the ranch?

Come on man...you put 125,000 people (attempting to tell the same message) and if there isn't some slippage....I'll be a monkey's uncle. Put 30 people in a circle....whisper in the FIRST ear a message.

Ain't gonna be the same message that comes out at 28 or 30.

Give me a firm with 25 employees....I can get the same message out every day.

125,000?

Come on...shit happens.

Stupid people do stupid things.


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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:16:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


You are so uninformed, it's pathetic.

I didn't even read your full diatribe.

Lose the leftist slant....read.

I already proved what I claimed. Eat some crow.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:20:00 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


Well, of course you are the paragon of facts so....I defer.

And, as to where I got "anything about a previous suit"...I used something unique and interesting: Facts. History. Reality.

Truth.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:32:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.

Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.

Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.


You are so uninformed, it's pathetic.

I didn't even read your full diatribe.

Lose the leftist slant....read.

I already proved what I claimed. Eat some crow.


Well, Dom (cough) Ken...why don't you put all your basis out for all to see (please make your best attempt to exclude all the "I hate Koch Industries": stuff).

(There's plenty).

(Anyone can use Yelp hating a bad meal or "I got fucked over by" so and so. Let's go with facts Dom {cough} Ken).

With 125,000 employees, I'd imagine there's (more than) a few who hate the Koch brothers, including many who don't prefer their politics....(I actually don't prefer their politics).

I don't give a shit about their politics because this isn't a discussion about their politics....you've made it a discussion about their growth rates and how they simply subsumed the world economy (and only via inflation)....I can do the math far better than you....do you really want that argument?

(You are not even remotely prepared for that argument....don't embarrass yourself....come up with something far stronger than that).

Stand up, express your true (informed) opinion. Back it up. Don't use hyperbole....express your opinion...back it up.

I have.

K?

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 5:38:35 PM   
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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 6:09:31 PM   
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so Kens Lying?


Nooooooooooo....couldn't be true.

(His lips ARE however, moving).

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 6:23:14 PM   
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so Kens Lying?


Nooooooooooo....couldn't be true.

(His lips ARE however, moving).

Then how come I documented what I claimed?

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 6:27:35 PM   
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You are *so* stuck in either/or thinking that you can't even recognize you're doing it or imagine any other way.



As though you are open minded

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/28/2014 6:31:19 PM   
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so Kens Lying?


Nooooooooooo....couldn't be true.

(His lips ARE however, moving).

shakes my head...why am I not surprised

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 6:22:50 AM   
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You are so uninformed, it's pathetic.

I didn't even read your full diatribe.

You admit that you don't read what you disagree with???
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?


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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 6:29:58 AM   
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You are *so* stuck in either/or thinking that you can't even recognize you're doing it or imagine any other way.



As though you are open minded


That's you -- it's either one way or the other. Nothing else exists in your world.



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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 3:00:01 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

so Kens Lying?


Nooooooooooo....couldn't be true.

(His lips ARE however, moving).

Then how come I documented what I claimed?


I suspect (including that it wasn't factual in any remote sense), it has something to do with your IQ.

(That's the best I can surmise given the known facts).

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 3:01:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

You are so uninformed, it's pathetic.

I didn't even read your full diatribe.

You admit that you don't read what you disagree with???
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?




I have to admit (not being a fan at all of Thompson V), that was REALLY well written!!!!

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 3:25:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.

I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-08-24/news/william-bill-koch-the-other-koch-brother-tea-party/full/
quote:


In 2001, Bill Koch finally won a victory against his brothers. Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government in a settlement deal; in return, the feds dismissed charges that the company stole oil from Native American and federal lands. Bill Koch and his co-plaintiff shared $7.4 million, according to the Click|keyword[The+Center+for+Public+Integrity]">Center for Public Integrity.
That year, Bill, David, and Charles also signed an undisclosed settlement that ended the legal battles among them and helped repair their relationship.


From your link:
    quote:

    In 1979, the Koch brothers celebrated their last Christmas together. The next year, Bill tried unsuccessfully to seize control of the board of Koch Industries. An epic legal battle followed. Bill sued Charles and David for corporate mismanagement. They fired back with a libel suit. In 1983, Bill and Frederick Koch sold their shares of the company to Charles and David, and Bill walked away with $470 million. But two years later, after his bankers crunched the numbers, Bill decided he'd gotten a raw deal. He sued again, demanding more money. For nearly two decades, his lawsuits against his brothers piled up. Things got ugly. At one point, Bill subpoenaed his elderly mother to testify a few months after she had a stroke. He also filed a whistle-blower suit accusing Koch Industries of stealing crude oil from Native American lands; it would drag on for years.


So, Bill sued for corporate mismanagement. What was the outcome of the that suit? The article doesn't state the outcome of that trial.

Bill and Frederick sold their shares of the business, with Bill getting $470M. But that wasn't enough, so he sued again. What was the outcome of that lawsuit? Were the sales part of the outcome of the mismanagement lawsuit? With the second lawsuit being that Bill (and Frederick?) lost?

Sounds like Bill was lawsuit happy, too. How many lawsuits did he win/lose against his brothers?

I think it may be possible that the lawsuits you and Zonie are arguing about aren't the same lawsuits.

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/29/2014 5:01:35 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.

I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-08-24/news/william-bill-koch-the-other-koch-brother-tea-party/full/
quote:


In 2001, Bill Koch finally won a victory against his brothers. Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government in a settlement deal; in return, the feds dismissed charges that the company stole oil from Native American and federal lands. Bill Koch and his co-plaintiff shared $7.4 million, according to the Click|keyword[The+Center+for+Public+Integrity]">Center for Public Integrity.
That year, Bill, David, and Charles also signed an undisclosed settlement that ended the legal battles among them and helped repair their relationship.


From your link:
    quote:

    In 1979, the Koch brothers celebrated their last Christmas together. The next year, Bill tried unsuccessfully to seize control of the board of Koch Industries. An epic legal battle followed. Bill sued Charles and David for corporate mismanagement. They fired back with a libel suit. In 1983, Bill and Frederick Koch sold their shares of the company to Charles and David, and Bill walked away with $470 million. But two years later, after his bankers crunched the numbers, Bill decided he'd gotten a raw deal. He sued again, demanding more money. For nearly two decades, his lawsuits against his brothers piled up. Things got ugly. At one point, Bill subpoenaed his elderly mother to testify a few months after she had a stroke. He also filed a whistle-blower suit accusing Koch Industries of stealing crude oil from Native American lands; it would drag on for years.



So, Bill sued for corporate mismanagement. What was the outcome of the that suit? The article doesn't state the outcome of that trial.

Bill and Frederick sold their shares of the business, with Bill getting $470M. But that wasn't enough, so he sued again. What was the outcome of that lawsuit? Were the sales part of the outcome of the mismanagement lawsuit? With the second lawsuit being that Bill (and Frederick?) lost?

Sounds like Bill was lawsuit happy, too. How many lawsuits did he win/lose against his brothers?

I think it may be possible that the lawsuits you and Zonie are arguing about aren't the same lawsuits.

Yes it does. That is the set of suits that Chuck and David eventually settled with Bill to get him to go away in 2001 for an undisclosed amount. Notice the second paragraph of what I quoted?

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RE: Koch brothers are at it again, those evil bastards - 7/30/2014 4:05:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Wow....you continue to amaze me every time with your take on things.
Two brothers received a settlement (not one). It was for 1.1 billion dollars. They walked away and later sued again after the remaining two brothers had taken Dad's firm from it's lesser stature to one that today, is a global empire. They lost the suit.
Any way you shake it, you're not even close to the facts (as usual).

You need to check I have the facts right. I have no idea where you get anything about a previous suit. The 2001 suit was not lost. Chuck and David were losing and settled after getting caught stealing from the tribe and a bunch of other bad things and paid William to go away.

I think it's time for someone to support his claim. Don't care which one of you does it, either.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-08-24/news/william-bill-koch-the-other-koch-brother-tea-party/full/
quote:


In 2001, Bill Koch finally won a victory against his brothers. Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government in a settlement deal; in return, the feds dismissed charges that the company stole oil from Native American and federal lands. Bill Koch and his co-plaintiff shared $7.4 million, according to the Click|keyword[The+Center+for+Public+Integrity]">Center for Public Integrity.
That year, Bill, David, and Charles also signed an undisclosed settlement that ended the legal battles among them and helped repair their relationship.


From your link:
    quote:

    In 1979, the Koch brothers celebrated their last Christmas together. The next year, Bill tried unsuccessfully to seize control of the board of Koch Industries. An epic legal battle followed. Bill sued Charles and David for corporate mismanagement. They fired back with a libel suit. In 1983, Bill and Frederick Koch sold their shares of the company to Charles and David, and Bill walked away with $470 million. But two years later, after his bankers crunched the numbers, Bill decided he'd gotten a raw deal. He sued again, demanding more money. For nearly two decades, his lawsuits against his brothers piled up. Things got ugly. At one point, Bill subpoenaed his elderly mother to testify a few months after she had a stroke. He also filed a whistle-blower suit accusing Koch Industries of stealing crude oil from Native American lands; it would drag on for years.



So, Bill sued for corporate mismanagement. What was the outcome of the that suit? The article doesn't state the outcome of that trial.

Bill and Frederick sold their shares of the business, with Bill getting $470M. But that wasn't enough, so he sued again. What was the outcome of that lawsuit? Were the sales part of the outcome of the mismanagement lawsuit? With the second lawsuit being that Bill (and Frederick?) lost?

Sounds like Bill was lawsuit happy, too. How many lawsuits did he win/lose against his brothers?

I think it may be possible that the lawsuits you and Zonie are arguing about aren't the same lawsuits.

Yes it does. That is the set of suits that Chuck and David eventually settled with Bill to get him to go away in 2001 for an undisclosed amount. Notice the second paragraph of what I quoted?


Facts/Basis/Truth.

Not a part of Dom (cough) Ken's repertoire.

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