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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I am not willing to kill to protect my things but I am will to kill because they think my things is worth killing me for.

And there is the fundamental and essential difference between the US and everywhere else.
In the US, the burglars and thieves come packing and are very likely to kill you.
Why?? Because it's easy and guns are prolific.

Everywhere else, those thieves are not packing and are generally unarmed so your need to be armed to protect yourself just isn't necessary.
Some might carry a knife, but that isn't usual.


This is also why everywhere else, gun deaths are very much lower than in the US.
Carrying guns is quite common in the US; hence gun deaths are a whole order of magnitude higher than anywhere else.


And, those Americans who support the carrying of guns are just perpetuating those gun deaths.

You are so wrong I don't know where to begin. Even that lying Bloomberg group admits that guns are used to stop crime as often as they are used to commit them, everyone else has the ratio much better. Don't know what idiot you've been talking to that says bad guys don't carry knives that is not only wrong but stupid. I have avoided assault 4 times because I had a firearm so I am not perpetuating any such thing. I resent you calling me an accomplice to murder cause if your to stupid to realize it that is what you just did.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I am not willing to kill to protect my things but I am will to kill because they think my things is worth killing me for.

And there is the fundamental and essential difference between the US and everywhere else.
In the US, the burglars and thieves come packing and are very likely to kill you.
Why?? Because it's easy and guns are prolific.

Everywhere else, those thieves are not packing and are generally unarmed so your need to be armed to protect yourself just isn't necessary.
Some might carry a knife, but that isn't usual.


This is also why everywhere else, gun deaths are very much lower than in the US.
Carrying guns is quite common in the US; hence gun deaths are a whole order of magnitude higher than anywhere else.


And, those Americans who support the carrying of guns are just perpetuating those gun deaths.

You are so wrong I don't know where to begin. Even that lying Bloomberg group admits that guns are used to stop crime as often as they are used to commit them, everyone else has the ratio much better. Don't know what idiot you've been talking to that says bad guys don't carry knives that is not only wrong but stupid. I have avoided assault 4 times because I had a firearm so I am not perpetuating any such thing. I resent you calling me an accomplice to murder cause if your to stupid to realize it that is what you just did.

The person quoted a real study showing the ratio of guns in the home being used for protections, versus accidental shootings, suicides and homocides. Where is the citing for the 'lying' bloomberg group you claim exists? You claim their figures are bullshit, that 'studies back you up", where are the studies/

And something doesn't add up here. Presumably you live in an area where a lot of people own guns, where it is well known many people own them, so if that is the case, how come you personally avoided assault 4 times? if guns in fact are the deterrent you claim, how come anyone would be dumb enough to try and commit assault knowing there are so many guns out there? And let me cite you a little figure that indicates that guns may not be such a big deterrent, in general, with the exception of low density population states like montana and wyoming, the states highest in violent crime also are among the states with the easiest gun laws, many of the southern states where gun ownership is very easy, have some of the highest crime rates in the nation. If what you claim is true, then they should be lower than strict gun control states, but they aren't.....and a large percentage of those crimes involve the criminals with guns, because of the lax laws, criminals can get their hands on guns quite easily, the percentage of crimes involving guns in easy to get states is higher than in relatively strict gun states...FBI statistics back this up. Maybe, just maybe, having very loose gun laws may allow ordinary citizens to buy guns cheaply and easily, but the same porous gun laws also make getting guns ridiculously easy for psychopaths and criminals..which raises another point, if the criminal knows people are likely to be armed,it means they will go into committing a crime with a hair trigger and will shoot a lot more easily. If guns were a deterrent, Texas should have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation, but it doesn't, and more important, violent crimes, including violence done as part of another crime,are sky high in texas, and FBI statistics show many of them, if not most, involve guns.

Reading the arguments gun proponents put out there are interesting, it generally comes down to "well, other things can kill, you can kill with a knife, you can kill with a bottle of spraypaint, you can kill with a pencil, so a gun is no worse than anything else"...and as an argument, it reminds me of a sketch on the old SNL where Dan Aykroyd, who sells all this dangerous stuff, defends himself by saying "so, you don't like my halloween costumes that catch fire, well, the kid can take a lamp cord and strangle themselves, or can take your high heel shoe and hit themselves in the eye with it and die, what do you think about that"......it is an argument that says "X can does death, Y can cause death, so X is equal to Y", which leaves out that X (a gun) can kill someone from a distance, if a semi automatic can kill multiple people, while someone with a knife might be able to kill someone, maybe a couple of people, but against a knife the victims have the chance to fight back, whereas with a gun the perp can shot them from 10, 15 feet away without breaking a sweat. Someone comes at me with a knife, I can fight back, they pull a gun and shoot me not much I can do, except die. A pencil can kill someone, but it takes work to do it, an atomic bomb can kill a hundred thousand people in a blink of an eye, are they the same thing?

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I am not willing to kill to protect my things but I am will to kill because they think my things is worth killing me for.

And there is the fundamental and essential difference between the US and everywhere else.
In the US, the burglars and thieves come packing and are very likely to kill you.
Why?? Because it's easy and guns are prolific.

Everywhere else, those thieves are not packing and are generally unarmed so your need to be armed to protect yourself just isn't necessary.
Some might carry a knife, but that isn't usual.


This is also why everywhere else, gun deaths are very much lower than in the US.
Carrying guns is quite common in the US; hence gun deaths are a whole order of magnitude higher than anywhere else.


And, those Americans who support the carrying of guns are just perpetuating those gun deaths.

You are so wrong I don't know where to begin. Even that lying Bloomberg group admits that guns are used to stop crime as often as they are used to commit them, everyone else has the ratio much better. Don't know what idiot you've been talking to that says bad guys don't carry knives that is not only wrong but stupid. I have avoided assault 4 times because I had a firearm so I am not perpetuating any such thing. I resent you calling me an accomplice to murder cause if your to stupid to realize it that is what you just did.

The person quoted a real study showing the ratio of guns in the home being used for protections, versus accidental shootings, suicides and homocides. Where is the citing for the 'lying' bloomberg group you claim exists? You claim their figures are bullshit, that 'studies back you up", where are the studies/

And something doesn't add up here. Presumably you live in an area where a lot of people own guns, where it is well known many people own them, so if that is the case, how come you personally avoided assault 4 times? if guns in fact are the deterrent you claim, how come anyone would be dumb enough to try and commit assault knowing there are so many guns out there? And let me cite you a little figure that indicates that guns may not be such a big deterrent, in general, with the exception of low density population states like montana and wyoming, the states highest in violent crime also are among the states with the easiest gun laws, many of the southern states where gun ownership is very easy, have some of the highest crime rates in the nation. If what you claim is true, then they should be lower than strict gun control states, but they aren't.....and a large percentage of those crimes involve the criminals with guns, because of the lax laws, criminals can get their hands on guns quite easily, the percentage of crimes involving guns in easy to get states is higher than in relatively strict gun states...FBI statistics back this up. Maybe, just maybe, having very loose gun laws may allow ordinary citizens to buy guns cheaply and easily, but the same porous gun laws also make getting guns ridiculously easy for psychopaths and criminals..which raises another point, if the criminal knows people are likely to be armed,it means they will go into committing a crime with a hair trigger and will shoot a lot more easily. If guns were a deterrent, Texas should have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation, but it doesn't, and more important, violent crimes, including violence done as part of another crime,are sky high in texas, and FBI statistics show many of them, if not most, involve guns.

Reading the arguments gun proponents put out there are interesting, it generally comes down to "well, other things can kill, you can kill with a knife, you can kill with a bottle of spraypaint, you can kill with a pencil, so a gun is no worse than anything else"...and as an argument, it reminds me of a sketch on the old SNL where Dan Aykroyd, who sells all this dangerous stuff, defends himself by saying "so, you don't like my halloween costumes that catch fire, well, the kid can take a lamp cord and strangle themselves, or can take your high heel shoe and hit themselves in the eye with it and die, what do you think about that"......it is an argument that says "X can does death, Y can cause death, so X is equal to Y", which leaves out that X (a gun) can kill someone from a distance, if a semi automatic can kill multiple people, while someone with a knife might be able to kill someone, maybe a couple of people, but against a knife the victims have the chance to fight back, whereas with a gun the perp can shot them from 10, 15 feet away without breaking a sweat. Someone comes at me with a knife, I can fight back, they pull a gun and shoot me not much I can do, except die. A pencil can kill someone, but it takes work to do it, an atomic bomb can kill a hundred thousand people in a blink of an eye, are they the same thing?

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If guns were a deterrent, Texas should have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation, but it doesn't, and more important, violent crimes, including violence done as part of another crime,are sky high in texas, and FBI statistics show many of them, if not most, involve guns.

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As of 2010, Texas ranks second place for the most number of people murdered with firearms (805). California, with its stricter gun laws, is in first place for the most firearm murders (1,257).

Keep in mind that there are 48% more people in California, but California suffers 56% more gun murders than Texas. Similarly, of all ways to murder people, Californians murder people with guns 69% of the time, while Texans murder with guns only 65% of the time. This indicates that the average Californian is more likely to murder or be murdered with a gun than the average Texan.

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I'm living proof that you can enter and exit the US without getting shot, or even seeing a gun,

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Each ban makes the next easier.

Perhaps you might want to validate this particular plate of turds?


I suspect you know that not one weapon on the banned "assault weapons" list is an assault weapon,

Any weapon is an assault weapon moron.


You are right the Constitution protected arms up to and including artillery.


Would you care to give us a site for this moronic opinion?

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For example the farm I grew up next to owed close to 130k a year in school/property taxes, that if were not modified to 13k by the federal state and local government, the land would have had to be sold.

You are pissing on my leg and trying to tell me that it is raining.
Tell us if you will how many family farms in amerika exceed 200 acres? Food for this country comes from korporate farms which are heavily subsidized by the govt.
The family farm is a fantasy from a hundred years ago.

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The farm I grew up next to was 104 acres and provides nearly 60 percent of all corn produced in the state...

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The farm I grew up next to was 104 acres and provides nearly 60 percent of all corn produced in the state...

That seems pretty unlikely.

Forty-one percent of U.S. total land area is farmland (938.28 million acres). The average farm size today is 441 acres.

http://www.agday.org/media/factsheet.php