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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 6:46:51 PM   
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It's too bad no one in his life cared enough to save him from himself, perhaps that was a part of it. Sometimes the only person one can rely upon is oneself, life isn't supposed to be fair. Unfortunate but true. All you can do is get stronger, be smarter, know better.


You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.

I sincerely hope that his death brings a discussion of depression to the forefront. There is so much misinformation and stigmatizing going on. People suffer in silence because they are afraid of the repercussions if they "come out" as suffering from this disease. If the general public actually learned to speak about it like the *disease* that it is, it would go a long way to more people actually getting the treatment that they need.



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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 6:57:16 PM   
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It's too bad no one in his life cared enough to save him from himself, perhaps that was a part of it. Sometimes the only person one can rely upon is oneself, life isn't supposed to be fair. Unfortunate but true. All you can do is get stronger, be smarter, know better.


You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.

I sincerely hope that his death brings a discussion of depression to the forefront. There is so much misinformation and stigmatizing going on. People suffer in silence because they are afraid of the repercussions if they "come out" as suffering from this disease. If the general public actually learned to speak about it like the *disease* that it is, it would go a long way to more people actually getting the treatment that they need.





No one can really get inside his head. His comedy was one way of trying to exorcise those existential demons. Think of the pain of his most pained characters, because he was a hell of an actor, too, and imagine living with that. When you consider how much of a genius he was (such an overused word, but an understatement here), you realize how unfathomable his inner pain could have been. Genius can heighten the senses and the beholding of the pain of one's existence. Not everyone can put it aside, not everyone has the same neurochemistry. What is a temporary disappointment for one is a lifelong curse for another. Some medications help some people. Some therapy helps some people. Before judging his action, keep in mind that he saw 100 times what most of us could see in lightness and darkness of the soul (I don't mean atrocities, I mean consciousness, the state of inner being). Perhaps the latter was too much to bear.


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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:01:02 PM   
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The odd thing is that the "side effect" of many anti-depressants is suicidal thoughts. When someone is severely depressed, bottom of the barrel, cannot fall any further...they are usually not capable of organizing their thoughts or making and executing a plan. When they start the meds, they start getting better but that definition of "better" is still what most of us would consider horribly low. Unfortunately, the person is usually now capable of seeing the way out and figuring out HOW to do it...at the same time, the family has seen improvement and is no longer so vigilant..



Thank you. I had heard about that side effect (I thought it was primarily for teens and young adults), but never really understood it. This makes sense.

...how tormented someone must be to believe suicide to be the solution.


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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:05:57 PM   
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It's too bad no one in his life cared enough to save him from himself, perhaps that was a part of it. Sometimes the only person one can rely upon is oneself, life isn't supposed to be fair. Unfortunate but true. All you can do is get stronger, be smarter, know better.


You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.

I sincerely hope that his death brings a discussion of depression to the forefront. There is so much misinformation and stigmatizing going on. People suffer in silence because they are afraid of the repercussions if they "come out" as suffering from this disease. If the general public actually learned to speak about it like the *disease* that it is, it would go a long way to more people actually getting the treatment that they need.





No one can really get inside his head. His comedy was one way of trying to exorcise those existential demons. Think of the pain of his most pained characters, because he was a hell of an actor, too, and imagine living with that. When you consider how much of a genius he was (such an overused word, but an understatement here), you realize how unfathomable his inner pain could have been. Genius can heighten the senses and the beholding of the pain of one's existence. Not everyone can put it aside, not everyone has the same neurochemistry. What is a temporary disappointment for one is a lifelong curse for another. Some medications help some people. Some therapy helps some people. Before judging his action, keep in mind that he saw 100 times what most of us could see in lightness and darkness of the soul (I don't mean atrocities, I mean consciousness, the state of inner being). Perhaps the latter was too much to bear.


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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:07:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am so heart broken over this. :(

I'm sorry he couldn't find the help he needed.

I've already watched the Rabbit Ears Pecos Bill Story he narrated and found myself actually crying at the end of it. I hope he is at peace now.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:14:11 PM   
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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:18:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard it and I coudn't believe it, it is always hard to hear about someone you enjoyed over the years dying, and when it is by their own hand....in one sense I am not surprised, comedians in general (as ironic as it sounds) often have issues, Jonathan Winters, who Robin idolized, was a manic depressive who several times spent time hospitalized for it. The manic nature of their comedic genius is often a manifestation of what is going inside. When Robin Williams got on a role, it was amazing, like Winters he could come up with stuff spur of the moment, simply by showing him an object or a piece of clothing. I remember his HBO special many years ago shot at the Metropolitan Opera House, my favorite was his impression of John Wayne doing Shakespeare. I will miss his humor, and the humanity he brought to many of his roles, and my heart goes out to his family and friends, because this kind of thing hurts in a way that makes 'normal' dying seem easy (speaking from experience, had several trans girlfriends I met when I was in transition die by their own hands...).

Rest in peace, Robin, the upside is that the movies he made, the characters he created, will be with us forever.......this makes the second great waste in the past X months, Phillip Seymour Hoffman was another one, he may technically not have committed suicide, but it was the same thing, a total waste of a brilliantly talented human being.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:23:11 PM   
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You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.


I know someone who is probably going to commit suicide one day. No one in his life knows or cares, I'm not sure which, same as Robin Williams. I make no assumptions about this, it simply makes me hypothesize. And yes, he could have been saved. Suicide is usually a cry for help. "Funny when you're dead how people start listening" sticks out in my mind. How many people can genuinely say there is another who completely understands all that they are inside and out? My mother knows me the least of anyone I know. I'm merely being realistic, something was lacking here that was necessary to stop this tragedy.

And you're right, they will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day, ergo my point about relying on oneself rather than waiting for others to "save you". The strength to live on is internal.

TieMeInKnottss, thanks for that info. It is shocking to read that and to be honest, like I stated earlier, such depths of depression is terrifying. I had to have a "turnaround" in my life when I noticed a snowball effect. I was reclusive for months, it was like pushing a snowball uphill, I did it without meds, therapy, a shoulder to cry on, anything. Only my own determination and resolve. I was just determined to not let it destroy me. And I still remember it being my toughest battle, I just didn't like who I was, but thankfully I always had the strength of my father as a beacon at the end of the day. Not everyone can see outside of such sadness and I get that. I addressed my issue early enough to where it didn't conquer me.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:40:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		My best friend in highschool committed suicide. It wasn't a cry for help. He wanted to die. It's a shame, because they're usually the ones the world needs living. Sometimes it doesn't matter who loves you or how much people adore you, how talented or funny or *good* you really are. Sometimes, you just don't want to be here anymore.


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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:46:08 PM   
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Its sad to think that someone who made so many people laugh was actually that unhappy.


Makes me thoughtful, your point precisely. I don't really feel anything about the news except that it's terrifying to think the level of his depression at the moment he decided this was best for him. I never understand people who get that upset about their lives unfortunately, seems narcissistic and selfish but then, there must be a profound loneliness and sadness that fogs all logic. It's too bad no one in his life cared enough to save him from himself, perhaps that was a part of it. Sometimes the only person one can rely upon is oneself, life isn't supposed to be fair. Unfortunate but true. All you can do is get stronger, be smarter, know better.

Yep, you are right, I think maybe nobody even close enough to see what was going on. Thing is, he may have hid his feelings with just more humor and then...who could have really seen ?

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 7:48:55 PM   
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You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.


I know someone who is probably going to commit suicide one day. No one in his life knows or cares, I'm not sure which, same as Robin Williams. I make no assumptions about this, it simply makes me hypothesize. And yes, he could have been saved. Suicide is usually a cry for help. "Funny when you're dead how people start listening" sticks out in my mind. How many people can genuinely say there is another who completely understands all that they are inside and out? My mother knows me the least of anyone I know. I'm merely being realistic, something was lacking here that was necessary to stop this tragedy.

And you're right, they will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day, ergo my point about relying on oneself rather than waiting for others to "save you". The strength to live on is internal.

TieMeInKnottss, thanks for that info. It is shocking to read that and to be honest, like I stated earlier, such depths of depression is terrifying. I had to have a "turnaround" in my life when I noticed a snowball effect. I was reclusive for months, it was like pushing a snowball uphill, I did it without meds, therapy, a shoulder to cry on, anything. Only my own determination and resolve. I was just determined to not let it destroy me. And I still remember it being my toughest battle, I just didn't like who I was, but thankfully I always had the strength of my father as a beacon at the end of the day. Not everyone can see outside of such sadness and I get that. I addressed my issue early enough to where it didn't conquer me.



Manko- while I usually disagree with you, this is beyond that- and I have to say something.

How dare you make yourself seem better than anyone for not needing help with depression?
You are in no place to judge how ANYONE deals with depression. I can't believe you feel comparing your struggles and experience with depression to ANYONE ELSE'S is appropriate. Stop boosting your own ego up because someone lost the battle with depression. Its a terrible, silent killer. I'm glad that you were able to put it behind you, but it is NOT like that for everyone- and what works for one does not necessarily work for the other.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:04:05 PM   
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You have absolutely no idea what the people in his life tried to do. I can tell you from personal experience that you can love someone from the depths of your soul, and they still choose this path. Really, making judgments about how the people in his life didn't care enough to prevent this from happening? Wow.


I know someone who is probably going to commit suicide one day. No one in his life knows or cares, I'm not sure which, same as Robin Williams. I make no assumptions about this, it simply makes me hypothesize. And yes, he could have been saved. Suicide is usually a cry for help. "Funny when you're dead how people start listening" sticks out in my mind. How many people can genuinely say there is another who completely understands all that they are inside and out? My mother knows me the least of anyone I know. I'm merely being realistic, something was lacking here that was necessary to stop this tragedy.

And you're right, they will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day, ergo my point about relying on oneself rather than waiting for others to "save you". The strength to live on is internal.

TieMeInKnottss, thanks for that info. It is shocking to read that and to be honest, like I stated earlier, such depths of depression is terrifying. I had to have a "turnaround" in my life when I noticed a snowball effect. I was reclusive for months, it was like pushing a snowball uphill, I did it without meds, therapy, a shoulder to cry on, anything. Only my own determination and resolve. I was just determined to not let it destroy me. And I still remember it being my toughest battle, I just didn't like who I was, but thankfully I always had the strength of my father as a beacon at the end of the day. Not everyone can see outside of such sadness and I get that. I addressed my issue early enough to where it didn't conquer me.


First of all, he was a relapse addict. He had issues with drugs and was dealing with trying to get clean again. That had complicated his clinical depression and seriously fouled up any attempts to help him cope with any and all attempts to dig out of that pit of despair. So to even think that people who knew him, or didn't know him just sat back and watched as he self destructed is pretty comical. His was a perfect storm of suicide, and even if someone was there to perform cpr I doubt that would have saved him for long

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:05:55 PM   
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Manko- while I usually disagree with you, this is beyond that- and I have to say something.

How dare you make yourself seem better than anyone for not needing help with depression?
You are in no place to judge how ANYONE deals with depression. I can't believe you feel comparing your struggles and experience with depression to ANYONE ELSE'S is appropriate. Stop boosting your own ego up because someone lost the battle with depression. Its a terrible, silent killer. I'm glad that you were able to put it behind you, but it is NOT like that for everyone- and what works for one does not necessarily work for the other.


Case in point, people say the most idiotic things about me without knowing jack about me to begin with. Firstly, I never said I was better than anyone else. Can you please point to this statement or stay in your corner. Secondly, I don't need to boost my ego on an online forum, that is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Thirdly, you have NO IDEA what it is like to see someone cry in their sleep or curl up in a ball on the floor and NO ONE AROUND THEM know the kind of suffering they are going through despite attempting to reach out to them for help only for them not to believe you, or to have this person say to you "You always say you want to help me, LOL. If you want to help me, find a way to kill me." And to everyone else they seem to live the "perfect life". So don't, OK? LOL, anyway. As stated earlier, NO ONE KNOWS JACK ABOUT ME OR MY POSITION ON THIS.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:10:39 PM   
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I know someone who is probably going to commit suicide one day. No one in his life knows or cares, I'm not sure which, same as Robin Williams. I make no assumptions about this, it simply makes me hypothesize. And yes, he could have been saved. Suicide is usually a cry for help. "Funny when you're dead how people start listening" sticks out in my mind. How many people can genuinely say there is another who completely understands all that they are inside and out? My mother knows me the least of anyone I know. I'm merely being realistic, something was lacking here that was necessary to stop this tragedy.

And you're right, they will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day, ergo my point about relying on oneself rather than waiting for others to "save you". The strength to live on is internal.



Many people have little understanding of this disease. Which goes to my point of hoping that his death actually opens up the dialogue and allow people, many of whom are otherwise intelligent, to open up their minds to understanding that it's not "cookie cutter", that it's not an issue of "bucking up and snapping out of it". It is a disease that's as "real" as any other, and without a fundamental acceptance of that fact by the general populace, many people will continue to suffer in silence.

If you actually read my response, you would have seen that I was responding to your comment about no one in his life caring enough to "stop" this. I never said anything about "completely understanding another person inside and out". I merely stated that one cannot make a judgment like you did without knowledge of the situation. You are "hypothesizing" with no basis, and really, just about to the point of being offensive.

Do you honestly think that everyone who has ever killed themselves due to depression didn't WANT to rely on themselves? That they were all just some fragile, selfish beings who basically said, "fuck it, the world sucks, I'm outta here"? Speaking of being "realistic", I'll share a reality with you-- I have known 3 people who have committed suicide. I can honestly say that all three of these people spent MANY years trying to work through it. They ALL wanted to live, or they wouldn't have done that. But, for all of them, there came a time when they felt that all of their options had run out. Was this a rational thought? Of course not....but that's the nature of the disease for some. And, I believe that this is what people need to start understanding. All of these people had loving and caring people around them. There's not too much else you can do after you have someone forcibly taken to the hospital and then put in rehab for 30 days. If the therapy isn't working, or whatever, what else is there?

Yes, the "will to live" is internal. However, to chalk it up to someone not understanding that "life isn't fair" is showing a complete ignorance of what this disease can do to a person and the people around them.


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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for making the little tribute thread all about you, Manko. Very classy.

I think my favorite Robin Williams character was in The Birdcage, but his stand-up made me laugh so hard my abs would hurt the next day. Not that last concert video though. That one fucking sucked.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:13:37 PM   
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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:16:33 PM   
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Other than on "Mork & Mindy ", I never really found him to be all that funny. Oh, there were touches, here and there (I'll share a link at the end) but, I found him, comedically, to amount to running around on stage, speaking in half sentences and hoping that people would find him to be funny.

I did think that he was extremely talented in a lot of ways (dramatic acting) but, forget the public persona.

That any person is so hopeless that they see suicide as the only way out is painful to me.

When people reach this depth of depression they are, often un-savable. They have sunk to a level from which few return.

To say that he had some fans would be a drastic understatement but it speaks to his lack of ego (or self-esteem) that he didn't find his legion of fans reason enough to hang around speaks volumes.

I sincerely hope that he's at peace.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:51:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		What a sad day for Robin Williams and his family — especially after all of the laughs he gave us. Robin’s widow asked us to remember him in his life, not his death today by suicide, so that’s what I’m going to do.
You have to love someone who made the effort to entertain the troops. Here’s a great moment when he’s in the middle of his routine, and it’s interrupted by a flag ceremony.

Robin Williams gave so much of himself in a lot of ways as he battled drugs, alcohol and depression. I, like so many here have stated, hope he has found his peace. I read a book called "The Afterlife of Billy Fingers". If that book is true, his soul is free and he is well now. I hope so. And like his widow asks, I will remember him for who he was, what he did, and how he gave us all the laughs. RIP Robin Williams.

**Here is the link to the first paragraph, and the video they spoke of. :)

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 8:53:48 PM   
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Who can forget "Patch Adams" or "Dead Poet's Society"?

They filmed "Dead Poet's Society" not too far from where I live. But my favorite will always be "Good Will Hunting".
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How could "Good Will Hunting" have slipped my mind? There are so many poignant and wonderful neo-classics of his.
(Btw, no apostrophe in "Poets," my bad)
I meant no disrespect with the emoti I chose; I knew there was a cross represented somewhere.... This one would represent the soul in flight.
The angel figure morphs into a devilish side, which come to think of it, might have been more apropos!
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Really pixies, nothing better to do than to pick apart other's post(s) in our moments of grief? How petty.

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RE: RIP Robin Williams - 8/11/2014 9:02:17 PM   
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Robin Williams on Golf






Just something to point out in that clip. The table is covered with water bottles, but notice how he has several open at once, taking little sips from one, and bigger gulps from others. Vodka? Gin? Tequila?

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