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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Please respond to the actual question about how the Police handled the crime scene afterward. That has nothing to do with the victim's state of mind.

Why (the question is why!) would a 22 year old with no criminal record go for a police officer's gun (in the middle of the Street) after stealing a box of cigars?

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
Allowing the officer to leave the scene was prudent because keeping him at the scene could have been a serious problem. This was a potential crime scene, all sorts of things must be accounted for and documented. Would you rather have had them come in, pick the body up right away, spray the blood away and remove all traces it ever happened? That little blurb makes a big deal out of investigation the incident. It is terrible that people had to see it, but come on man, what are you supposed to do? If they cleaned up the area quickly they would be accused of not caring, they take their time to investigate and get the same accusation. You cannot win in that situation.

Not a potential crime scene. It was a crime scene and by letting the perpetrator leave the scene before evidence was collected the scene was hopelessly contaminated.

However the victim should have been transported to the hospital. That is standard procedure. He might have been saved.

Since it is your diagnosis, it is clearly correct, but how did you know he was alive. After all since that no good racist cop fired every round he had in to the poor little child's body he had to be dead. Oh, I know since everyone who works for the city is a racist thug (you having interviewed all of them) they were of course making sure he died.
The other possibility is they knew he was already dead. I realize that even if he was dead that there is zero possibility that any rational person would do things any different than you think they should.

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

1: Once it became an officer involved shooting, it was no longer in the hands of the original officer or his squad. At this point a detective would have taken over, usually Internal Affairs. It's not at all uncommon for the officer involved to be removed from the scene to be interviewed, to seek medical attention, to contact a lawyer, etc.

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2: Brown was shot in the head. He had a hole in his head big enough for a witness (Mr Stone I believe it was) to see. Maybe I'm not up on my first aid, but CPR is pretty useless if there's a bullet in the brain.
3: If he was dead, perhaps they were holding him for the coroner?

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4: Because they wanted to have all the facts before they released it?

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5: Wasn't the coroner's report released at the same time as the other official reports? Seems reasonable to release it all at once, rather then piece-meal.

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6: No clue why they didn't notify the chief sooner.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
And that claim was quickly dropped because the claim was so ludicrous. Just look at the guy in question and try and imagine him reaching in a car window and getting a gun out of a safety holster and somehow firing it.

Hmmm, but the story by Brown's accomplice, that the cop reached out of the car and was strangling him makes so much more sense? You were in the military Ken, can you honestly tell me you think it's possible for someone wearing a vest and weapons belt to lean far enough out of a sedan window to strangle someone? Especially someone as big as Brown?

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted
If one officer was trying to control a nearly 300 pound suspect, by himself, that's not easy. Perhaps he was trying to get him into the car to hold him there till back-up arrived? Once the doors are closed, they only open from the outside.

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted
If one officer was trying to control a nearly 300 pound suspect, by himself, that's not easy. Perhaps he was trying to get him into the car to hold him there till back-up arrived? Once the doors are closed, they only open from the outside.

I remember a situation many years ago where a suspect was shot by a female police officer who was too small to subdue him physically, so she shot him (he was burglarizing the offices of an ice company). I wonder if this was a similar situation, if the officer was small trying to subdue a much larger man.

Maybe he should have waited until he got back up before even trying anything at all. Or he could have just let him go, since (as far as the cop knew at that time), Brown's only "crime" was walking down the street instead of the sidewalk. Just letting it go would have been the wise move, but I know that so many cops get "badge ego" and think "I can't let him get away with disrespecting the cops, no matter how small the violation. I must teach him a lesson." I've heard cops say this and have seen this in practice, where cops say that they have to come down hard on any kind of "disrespect" for law enforcement.

Could this have been at work in this case? Were officers in this department told that they must respond to every act of defiance against the police, no matter how small?

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

1: Once it became an officer involved shooting, it was no longer in the hands of the original officer or his squad. At this point a detective would have taken over, usually Internal Affairs. It's not at all uncommon for the officer involved to be removed from the scene to be interviewed, to seek medical attention, to contact a lawyer, etc.

Letting him leave the scene without collecting evidence and in his vehicle destroyed chain of custody.

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2: Brown was shot in the head. He had a hole in his head big enough for a witness (Mr Stone I believe it was) to see. Maybe I'm not up on my first aid, but CPR is pretty useless if there's a bullet in the brain.
3: If he was dead, perhaps they were holding him for the coroner?

I can find no such report. And even if grey matter was on the ground SOP is still to transport to the hospital.

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4: Because they wanted to have all the facts before they released it?

The incident report is written the day of the incident. It is a public document covered by Missouri's Sunshine law.

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5: Wasn't the coroner's report released at the same time as the other official reports? Seems reasonable to release it all at once, rather then piece-meal.

The coroner's report is a public document covered by Missouri's Sunshine law. Are you noticing a trend?

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6: No clue why they didn't notify the chief sooner.

A small department has an officer involved shooting that ends with a death and the chief isn't immediately notified? I've got a very good idea why. The supervisor was letting the killer get his story worked out before the bosses got involved.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Eye Witness Account:

>>About 10 minutes before his death, surveillance video shows, Brown walked into Ferguson Market & Liquor, a small convenience store half a mile from the spot where he was killed.

In the images, the young man whose family described him as gentle reaches over the counter and roughly yanks out a box of Swisher Sweets cigars.

He is accompanied by his friend, Johnson, a slight 120 pounds and four years older, who has emerged as a key witness. In the footage, Brown fills the screen, thickly built and in long khaki shorts, a white T-shirt and sandals.

Boxes of cigars scatter as Brown appears to argue with a clerk. While Brown scoops the cigar boxes from the floor, the clerk comes out from behind the counter, seemingly trying to block his path and close the door.

Brown shoves the much smaller clerk into a snack display. When the clerk comes back at him, Brown puffs his chest and steps toward the clerk in a show of intimidation. The clerk retreats and Brown leaves, carrying cigars worth $48.99.

Johnson, who has not been charged, has told FBI investigators that he thought his friend was doing “a prank,” Bosley, his attorney, said in an interview with The Washington Post on Saturday.

From there, it was only short hop down West Florissant Avenue, a route that took them past faded strip-mall storefronts, a nail salon, a barbershop, a check-cashing business, a burger joint.

As they turned onto Canfield Drive, they were only blocks from Johnson’s home and the apartment of Brown’s grandmother. They walked in the middle of the street, rather than the sidewalk, hugging the center line.

Wilson drove past them in his patrol car.

He told them, “Get on the f------ sidewalk,” Bosley said Johnson has told him. Johnson protested to Wilson that they were almost home.

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown. “Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said. “Big Mike tries to move away. The officer grabs his shirt.”

Johnson, who was a student at Lincoln University, saw the officer pull out a gun. “He shoots Big Mike somewhere in the chest or arm,” Bosley said. “Dorian sees blood coming from the chest.”

Johnson took off running and hid behind the first car he saw, Bosley said. “Big Mike runs by him. He says to Dorian, ‘Keep running,’ ” Bosley said. “The officer chases Big Mike. He fires a shot and hits Big Mike in the back. Big Mike turns around. [Brown] puts his hands up. The officer shoots him five or six more times.”

After Brown was shot and on the ground, Bosley said, Wilson did not report the shooting immediately or call for emergency medical help.

There was confusion at the emergency call center in the minutes after the shooting.<<

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

What remains to be seen of course, is how well the eyewitness account of the criminal accomplice will match up to the physical evidence. I understand the FBI is very good at putting the pieces together from crime scenes.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Do you think the FBI is as good as our resident "experts" on here?

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

all of this is being told by johnson the same person who says stealing the cigars was a joke/this is their witness

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Just curious... what do you think the odds that the Justice Department will return a non-political investigation? I would say there is a very good chance that after all the evidence is gathered it will come down to the officers version against Brown's friend. I think all the rest of the so called witnesses will be found to not be reliable.

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FR

What remains to be seen of course, is how well the eyewitness account of the criminal accomplice will match up to the physical evidence. I understand the FBI is very good at putting the pieces together from crime scenes.

Do you think the FBI is as good as our resident "experts" on here?