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GoddessManko -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 8:48:59 AM)

It's amazing how color struck some people are in this country, especially considering the diversity here. To be honest, it's bewildering for people who are foreign. YEARS before Obama was elected president (wow, so amazing?), Ireland had a Nigerian mayor. At the end of the day, you are all Americans, this is how the entire world sees you.You're not Irish American or Italian American or African American unless you were actally born in those countries and not here. Trying to paint oneself as better than a counterpart because of dark skin or blue eyes is sort of pointless and the occurrences of race related crimes doesn't pan out to being politically and judicially mature.
Sorry if my comments are rude, I just didn't know if you guys were aware of how you LOOK to the rest of the world when things like this make you this riled. They kind of smile and nod and nudge each other while refraining to laugh. I think there should be some introspection in how these issues are handled perhaps.




BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 9:14:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR - snipped fro a source other than the NYT

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Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family's request, the Times said. In an interview, he noted that one of the shots appeared to have struck Brown on the top of his head, but that it wasn't immediately clear what that signified. "It can be because he's giving up, or because he's charging forward at the officer," Baden said.



Actually this was in the NYT article as well, Ken just chose not to mention it.

I specifically mentioned that. You need to learn to read. I indicated that to determine whether the shot had him hit while he was on his knees would need to be determined by further testing. If he wasn't on his knees when a bullet hit the top of his head how else did it happen?

When charging people tend to lean forward.
There was no powder residue so the cop wasn't standing over him.
A round entering along the hair line from the front would still be "the top of the head". Put down your rope it isn't time for the lynching yet.




Moderator3 -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 9:21:27 AM)

Time out.

While moderation is rare in the feisty section, I find I must lock this thread to catch up on a few of the guidelines some of you have decided, don't matter.

Locked for a bit of clean up.




Moderator3 -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 9:42:11 AM)

I realize that these situations can be upsetting, but in your upset or while doing battle with one another, if I find any more racial slurs, I am going to be getting very serious about how I handle this.

Posts were removed for racial slurs, quoting or responding to a removed post and for being racially inflammatory.

Calm yourselves please.

Thank you




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 10:13:09 AM)

So...why does one sho0t another person six times? Angry? Scared for your life? Hate?

Let's take them in order,

1) Angry? Not likely, they never met
2) Scared for your life? This fits, that was a lot of shots, and this guy already has been shown to assault people due to his size.
3) Hate? Ummmm...maybe, but why just him? No. I think not.

So, life and this story is simpler than we want to believe. The reason why the cop is not in jail and the "boy" was shot so many times, mostly in the arm, is he was shot in self defense.
It would be easier for the police dept to simply lock the cop up and charge him, but they don't and not because everybody are roomies there in the police dept.

So, this is logically the way it is and will play out. And if I see that "witness" on TV again showing her video taken after the shooting, not while of course, I will simply gag.




BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 10:28:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

So...why does one sho0t another person six times? Angry? Scared for your life? Hate?

Let's take them in order,

1) Angry? Not likely, they never met
2) Scared for your life? This fits, that was a lot of shots, and this guy already has been shown to assault people due to his size.
3) Hate? Ummmm...maybe, but why just him? No. I think not.

So, life and this story is simpler than we want to believe. The reason why the cop is not in jail and the "boy" was shot so many times, mostly in the arm, is he was shot in self defense.
It would be easier for the police dept to simply lock the cop up and charge him, but they don't and not because everybody are roomies there in the police dept.

So, this is logically the way it is and will play out. And if I see that "witness" on TV again showing her video taken after the shooting, not while of course, I will simply gag.

I remember reading an article in a magazine circulated only to law enforcement agencies. It was written by a former IA guy. He said they would routinely arrive at the scene of an officer involved shooting. One of the first questions they would ask was how many rounds did you fire. Usual answer was in the order of "two, maybe three" they would then open the cylinder (this was in the days when cops carried revolvers) and all six had been fired. I doubt that this has changed, the cop probably didn't realize how many he had fired (he had other things on his mind). From the pattern of hits he fired quickly as the hits kept rising. I am not yet ready to declare him innocent, let alone that he handled things to perfection, but it seems to be looking better for him all the time.

PS if someone had just bashed my face in I would be angry.

You forgot
4 He didn't fall down after 5




PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 10:56:10 AM)

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At the end of the day, you are all Americans


Eh? I thought you were American yourself, GM.




PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 11:00:48 AM)

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Has the grieving mother told the press that her son was a "good boy" yet?

K.


That's a near-universal, K. Pretty damned few mothers would say otherwise about their recently deceased sons.




GoddessManko -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 11:02:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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At the end of the day, you are all Americans


Eh? I thought you were American yourself, GM.


I am, but I moved here at 16, stop being so observant Mr Peon. [8D]
It was back when I was a puritan and wannabe nun. It's like looking at someone else's life now. And for the better. Oh, the experiences I've had here. Makes me sigh and smile rather indulgently. [;)]




mnottertail -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 11:04:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Yes, and on the body.


Who and where is the determination this was him, because the date is different than the incident. Plus the guy in the pictures is wearing flip-flops.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 11:52:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

So...why does one sho0t another person six times? Angry? Scared for your life? Hate?

Let's take them in order,

1) Angry? Not likely, they never met
2) Scared for your life? This fits, that was a lot of shots, and this guy already has been shown to assault people due to his size.
3) Hate? Ummmm...maybe, but why just him? No. I think not.

<snip>



Some departments/academies still teach recruits that in a shooting situation, they are to empty their magazine while moving toward cover (where they're told to re-load and assess the situation).







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




cloudboy -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 12:34:01 PM)

Yes, police departments and sane individuals counsel officers to empty their magazines into unarmed, black teenagers. Does it bother you at all how insane you sound here?

I'm also waiting for the OP to make more analogies between police corruption and brutality and Monty Python.

You two are peas in a pod.




ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 12:59:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Yes, police departments and sane individuals counsel officers to empty their magazines into unarmed, black teenagers. Does it bother you at all how insane you sound here?

I'm also waiting for the OP to make more analogies between police corruption and brutality and Monty Python.

You two are peas in a pod.


Funny that you got this BS from what he actually said.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 1:14:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

So...why does one sho0t another person six times? Angry? Scared for your life? Hate?

Let's take them in order,

1) Angry? Not likely, they never met
2) Scared for your life? This fits, that was a lot of shots, and this guy already has been shown to assault people due to his size.
3) Hate? Ummmm...maybe, but why just him? No. I think not.

So, life and this story is simpler than we want to believe. The reason why the cop is not in jail and the "boy" was shot so many times, mostly in the arm, is he was shot in self defense.
It would be easier for the police dept to simply lock the cop up and charge him, but they don't and not because everybody are roomies there in the police dept.

So, this is logically the way it is and will play out. And if I see that "witness" on TV again showing her video taken after the shooting, not while of course, I will simply gag.

I remember reading an article in a magazine circulated only to law enforcement agencies. It was written by a former IA guy. He said they would routinely arrive at the scene of an officer involved shooting. One of the first questions they would ask was how many rounds did you fire. Usual answer was in the order of "two, maybe three" they would then open the cylinder (this was in the days when cops carried revolvers) and all six had been fired. I doubt that this has changed, the cop probably didn't realize how many he had fired (he had other things on his mind). From the pattern of hits he fired quickly as the hits kept rising. I am not yet ready to declare him innocent, let alone that he handled things to perfection, but it seems to be looking better for him all the time.

PS if someone had just bashed my face in I would be angry.

You forgot
4 He didn't fall down after 5



Looks like it is as could be reasonably predicted. The Cop's side is out now. The giant charged him and the cop defended himself. Of course he emptied his gun while in fear for his life. Who can fault this. The whole cop killed an innocent boy story is falling apart quickly and already I see cable news pundits backing away from that line, quickly, while blaming the police department for not doing what the family and the press and the most Rev did, throw shit out and jump to judgment. Kinda like a few here, right bitches?




subrosaDom -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 1:35:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

So...why does one sho0t another person six times? Angry? Scared for your life? Hate?

Let's take them in order,

1) Angry? Not likely, they never met
2) Scared for your life? This fits, that was a lot of shots, and this guy already has been shown to assault people due to his size.
3) Hate? Ummmm...maybe, but why just him? No. I think not.

So, life and this story is simpler than we want to believe. The reason why the cop is not in jail and the "boy" was shot so many times, mostly in the arm, is he was shot in self defense.
It would be easier for the police dept to simply lock the cop up and charge him, but they don't and not because everybody are roomies there in the police dept.

So, this is logically the way it is and will play out. And if I see that "witness" on TV again showing her video taken after the shooting, not while of course, I will simply gag.

I remember reading an article in a magazine circulated only to law enforcement agencies. It was written by a former IA guy. He said they would routinely arrive at the scene of an officer involved shooting. One of the first questions they would ask was how many rounds did you fire. Usual answer was in the order of "two, maybe three" they would then open the cylinder (this was in the days when cops carried revolvers) and all six had been fired. I doubt that this has changed, the cop probably didn't realize how many he had fired (he had other things on his mind). From the pattern of hits he fired quickly as the hits kept rising. I am not yet ready to declare him innocent, let alone that he handled things to perfection, but it seems to be looking better for him all the time.

PS if someone had just bashed my face in I would be angry.

You forgot
4 He didn't fall down after 5



Looks like it is as could be reasonably predicted. The Cop's side is out now. The giant charged him and the cop defended himself. Of course he emptied his gun while in fear for his life. Who can fault this. The whole cop killed an innocent boy story is falling apart quickly and already I see cable news pundits backing away from that line, quickly, while blaming the police department for not doing what the family and the press and the most Rev did, throw shit out and jump to judgment. Kinda like a few here, right bitches?


The real purpose of the agitators here: meaning the New Black Panthers (actually denounced by the REAL Black Panthers), Eric Holder and his Dept. of InJustice, Al (I advocate killing Jews and whites and ruining white people's lives through Tawana Brawley) Sharpton has nothing to do with Mike (6'4', 300 lb.) Brown. This "boy" (and note, that is NOT a racial slur, "boy" is the term used by his defenders) with the build of an NFL nose tackle is not whom they care about. Their real goal, Cloward-Piven style, is to make all police fearful of shooting any black man, no matter what the situation (in other words, if a evil white man is charging at you, go kill the bastard, but if an evil black man is charging at you, run away if you can), thereby fomenting fear, lawlessness and nationwide riots. From there, it's a short step to martial law. I am not saying they will achieve this objective -- I am saying that if you could scan their brains and read their thoughts, this is what they want.




AQRMZ -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 1:45:06 PM)

OK, I just went to the St Louis, MO. craigslist rants and raves. I will post the url for it and a few other things that I saw on there.

I suggest that going there might give a flavor of some of the publics attitudes. Not all of the public but some of them.

Most of this is pretty nasty and raw and I mention it just for possible information. So if any of you find it offensive, just back off and don't come pissin' on me about it, you have been warned.
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/rnr/
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Also there is a URL with some other information and a vid and some interesting voice of the witnesses when they did not know it was being recorded. I would post the written part of it but, good old Mod 3 would kick my ass and probably ban me. Anyway, You might find this informative. You should really watch and listen to this one, it may change some minds. So here it is.
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Eye witness account on tape! (Ferguson )

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

IJReview http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/ 5,129,253 Views.
A previously unnoticed detail in a background conversion of a video taken minutes after the Ferguson shooting could change the course of the investigation into Mike Brown’s death.

Ok go check it out.






PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 1:47:33 PM)

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The whole cop killed an innocent boy story is falling apart quickly and already I see cable news pundits backing away from that line, quickly, while blaming the police department for not doing what the family and the press and the most Rev did, throw shit out and jump to judgment. Kinda like a few here, right bitches?


I keep trying to work out which side you're on here, Arturas. Is it pro- or anti- rioters that you're attempting to make look unbalanced?




subrosaDom -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 2:01:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

The whole cop killed an innocent boy story is falling apart quickly and already I see cable news pundits backing away from that line, quickly, while blaming the police department for not doing what the family and the press and the most Rev did, throw shit out and jump to judgment. Kinda like a few here, right bitches?


I keep trying to work out which side you're on here, Arturas. Is it pro- or anti- rioters that you're attempting to make look unbalanced?


How about the side of truth?




kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 2:09:10 PM)

The truth is out there... But no one wants to hear it.

Butch




DaddySatyr -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 2:14:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AQRMZ

Also there is a URL with some other information and a vid and some interesting voice of the witnesses when they did not know it was being recorded. I would post the written part of it but, good old Mod 3 would kick my ass and probably ban me. Anyway, You might find this informative. You should really watch and listen to this one, it may change some minds. So here it is.



Obviously, Michael realized he was late for choir practice which was in the opposite direction and knew he had to run to get there as close to "on time" as possible.

He also realized that he'd have to stop at the cigar store on the way and pay the owner who was nice enough to let him temporarily take the cigars "on the arm".

It's all just a big misunderstanding.

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

The real purpose of the agitators here: meaning the New Black Panthers (actually denounced by the REAL Black Panthers), Eric Holder and his Dept. of InJustice, Al (I advocate killing Jews and whites and ruining white people's lives through Tawana Brawley) Sharpton has nothing to do with Mike (6'4', 300 lb.) Brown. This "boy" (and note, that is NOT a racial slur, "boy" is the term used by his defenders) with the build of an NFL nose tackle is not whom they care about. Their real goal, Cloward-Piven style, is to make all police fearful of shooting any black man, no matter what the situation (in other words, if a evil white man is charging at you, go kill the bastard, but if an evil black man is charging at you, run away if you can), thereby fomenting fear, lawlessness and nationwide riots. From there, it's a short step to martial law. I am not saying they will achieve this objective -- I am saying that if you could scan their brains and read their thoughts, this is what they want.



Spot on! I have this thought every time something like this comes up and the PPLs start out with "a racist cop ...".

The harder it is for police officers to do their job, the easier it is to loot and riot.

Also, has anyone noticed (and I'm going back, years) before Holder was head of the DOJ, it was the feds who were racist. Now, it's local cops; the guys who live and work in the community; whose kids go to school, there. Hmmmmmmm.

Eight years ago, there's no way people would have been calling to send in the feds.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




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