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PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:36:37 PM)

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They did kill a dangerous unarmed 18 year old 6ft 5in man who just assaulted a store owner and then a policeman, killed not because of his size but because he thought he was big enough to assault a cop and get away with it. Give it up. It's over. Justice is based on truth and not your fantasy.


I read that he was 6' 3", then later that he was 6' 4".

Is this going to end up that he was, in fact, a 3/4-ton 8 foot grizzly bear dressed like a gangsta?




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:39:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read that he was 6' 3", then that he was 6' 4". Is this going to end up that he was, in fact, a grizzly bear dressed like a gangsta?


Yeah, that's important. I suppose it makes no difference either way when he charges you out of the night after being ordered to freeze. Yup. Sorry, my friend. Common sense and truth is prevailing. Damn, right?




BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:41:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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They did kill a dangerous unarmed 18 year old 6ft 5in man who just assaulted a store owner and then a policeman, killed not because of his size but because he thought he was big enough to assault a cop and get away with it. Give it up. It's over. Justice is based on truth and not your fantasy.


I read that he was 6' 3", then later that he was 6' 4".

Is this going to end up that he was, in fact, a 3/4-ton 8 foot grizzly bear dressed like a gangsta?

Did you complain when people said a certain young man was shot for getting tea and skittells ?




PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:42:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Yeah, that's important. I suppose it makes no difference either way when he charges you out of the night after being ordered to freeze. Yup. Sorry, my friend. Common sense and truth is prevailing. Damn, right?


Myself, I'd just wind up my car window, put the car in gear, and move. Then maybe get out of the car and tell the man to stop screwing with me. But that's just me, my idea of common sense, and the little facts that I wouldn't have a gun, and nor would he, anyway.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:43:08 PM)

Hey, I just got on MSNBC and there is the Rev along side of a four year older photo of this giant now looking like a little sweet boy and the Rev flashes up the autopsy picture showing all those gun shots and declares this supports the story that this giant guy had his hands up when he was shot, like the cop is going to aim for those arms that are up, I guess so he can get a little target practice in cause the last guy he shot he aimed for his right arm.

Sure, not. Sorry, this story is unraveling quickly. Only the Rev is pushing it now.




cloudboy -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:45:21 PM)

When you run the facts by others -- as a general rule -- the reaction is a police cover up. Far-right, white men -- as we see here -- are exceptional. Raikun even tried to suggest the shooter was black. That almost made DS spontaneously ejaculate. The real question here is, why can't these guys see a prima facie case of excessive force? Is it because the victim was black. Is it because the protesters are black. Is it because of the looting?

The number of shots fired into the unarmed victim -- makes the case damning on its face.

Guy went for officer's gun: so what.

Guy is 6'4": so what.

Guy robbed a convenience store: so what.

Excessive force here is a given no matter how much you smear the victim with culpability.




PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:45:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Sure, not. Sorry, this story is unraveling quickly. Only the Rev is pushing it now.


Look, tbh, I think even the stupidest of us, of any political inclination, is aware of 'political spin' these days. God knows the Trayvon case was lesson enough in that. None of this bollocks is going to wash with either side.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:46:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Yeah, that's important. I suppose it makes no difference either way when he charges you out of the night after being ordered to freeze. Yup. Sorry, my friend. Common sense and truth is prevailing. Damn, right?


Myself, I'd just wind up my car window, put the car in gear, and move. Then maybe get out of the car and tell the man to stop screwing with me. But that's just me, my idea of common sense, and the little facts that I wouldn't have a gun, and nor would he, anyway.


Exactly. It's just you. You have to, because your story has come apart, quickly.




PeonForHer -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:52:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Exactly. It's just you. You have to, because your story has come apart, quickly.


Eh? I don't have "a story". What are you talking about? I'm on the other side of the Atlantic and, to me, this is just another little paragraph in one chapter of a huge big fat book about Americans blowing each others' brains out with their beloved guns. A bit of a boring book too, if I'm honest.




servantforuse -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 3:56:49 PM)

Not to worry. Eric Holder is on his way to Ferguson. That will take care of everything.




Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:01:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

A professionally trained police officer should know how to handle an 18 year old, petty thief who by all previous reports has no record of violence. No matter what happened, shooting Brown 6 times will result in charges of excessive force and possibly unjustifiable homicide.


So, by your thinking, there is no way the officer could ever have a justified shooting? I hope you are never a juror on a criminal case.

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As the private coroner stated in his report -- the basic autopsy facts could have been released one-day after the incident. Why weren't they?


Who knows? You certainly do not, and should stop acting like you do.

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State authorities would not let the private examiner see Brown's clothes. Why not?


Where was it stated that the State authorities refused to give the clothes to the private examiner? And if it was stated they wouldn't give it to them, well, you know, perhaps they didn't give it to him because, you know, it is evidence. Tampering and all that minor stuff associated with just letting anyone handle evidence.

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Why did Brown's body lay in the road for five hours?


Why don't you tell us why it did? It takes time to process a scene like that and that covers that large of an area.

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Why did the police release the store video of petty theft when it was unrelated to the shooting?


Gee, I am not sure... maybe because the victim of the shooting was involved in the robbery? Did you think that would not come out? I think it is completely relevant.

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Yes, if there are no powder marks on Brown's clothes -- it will look even more like an execution.


Why? Please site your qualifications for making those claims.

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>Dr. Baden said it was unusual that the authorities in St. Louis had not released most of the information “on Day 1” after the county medical examiner completed her autopsy, especially considering the heightened interest in the case, which involved an unarmed black teenager being killed by a white police officer.<


Unusual, sure. Unheard of, no.

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>“People have been asking: How many times was he shot? This information could have been released on Day 1,” Dr. Baden said in an interview after performing the autopsy. “They don’t do that, even as feelings built up among the citizenry that there was a cover-up. We are hoping to alleviate that.”


It could have been, but it wasn't. So what does that prove exactly? Do we have to look for holes that may have been plastered shut to conceal something? The holes weren't going anywhere. Just because people are asking for information does not compel the police to release it.

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....A witness, Tiffany Mitchell, said in an interview with MSNBC that she heard tires squeal, then saw Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson “wrestling” through the open car window. A shot went off from within the car, Mr. Johnson said, and the two began to run away from the officer.

According to Ms. Mitchell, “The officer gets out of his vehicle,” she said, pursuing Mr. Brown, then continued to shoot.

Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict.

“Michael’s body jerks as if he was hit,” Ms. Mitchell said, “and then he put his hands up.”


So, let me get this straight, you accept everything this eyewitness says when she got a tiny minor detail wrong about the kid being shot in the back. Oh wait, that isn't a minor detail. Point being, any first year law student could impeach her testimony in no time, so her entire statement is useless.

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Mr. Brown turned, Mr. Johnson said, raised his hands, and said, “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”


Mr. Johnson? The guy who helped with the robbery? Oh, OK.


So, what are you going to do when the toxicology report comes out if it shows that this guy was high on PCP or heroin or something like that? Still excessive force? Still homicide? Or will you start pontificating that the police doctored the results?

Edited to state:

I realized after I posted this that I misread this line: Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away as it was the woman giving the statement. My mistake.




BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:05:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

When you run the facts by others -- as a general rule -- the reaction is a police cover up. Far-right, white men -- as we see here -- are exceptional. Raikun even tried to suggest the shooter was black. That almost made DS spontaneously ejaculate. The real question here is, why can't these guys see a prima facie case of excessive force? Is it because the victim was black. Is it because the protesters are black. Is it because of the looting?

The number of shots fired into the unarmed victim -- makes the case damning on its face.

Guy went for officer's gun: so what.

Guy is 6'4": so what.

Guy robbed a convenience store: so what.

Excessive force here is a given no matter how much you smear the victim with culpability.

When you go over the facts that is the reaction because you present the facts that way.
All of those indicate that Wilson was in danger.
Why can't you see this, is it because Wilson is white (an worse yet a cop) an Brown was white. Since you seem to base the whole thing on race that holds more water than your claims.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:10:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I said his objectivity, not his honesty. He is taking the families money so he isn't going to want to tell them their kid was going after the cop.


If he alters what he says to suit who is paying him then he isn't being objective and he is being a liar.

too complicated?




DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:12:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read that he was 6' 3", then that he was 6' 4". Is this going to end up that he was, in fact, a grizzly bear dressed like a gangsta?


Yeah, that's important. I suppose it makes no difference either way when he charges you out of the night after being ordered to freeze. Yup. Sorry, my friend. Common sense and truth is prevailing. Damn, right?

Broad daylight not night. 
Truth should prevail shouldn't it?




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:14:43 PM)

NEWS ALERT!

Toxicology indicates the 18 year old giant man who attacked the cop has marijuana in his bloodstream which explains his aggressive attack on the store keeper and the cop.

Also, the most Rev. Al Sharpton today described the looters as freedom fighters. You cannot make this shit up. I think that guy has suffered a stroke or something.

Shit is unraveling faster than even I thought.

Meanwhile, the Governor has had enough of this shit and sends in the troops to keep the peace which is a good thing if you are stupid enough to be standing around in this 'protest' when the Molotov cocktails are thrown at your kid or guns start going off within the crowd, again. Shit has got to stop and thank God the Gov is bringing in the big stick.




DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:16:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

When you run the facts by others -- as a general rule -- the reaction is a police cover up. Far-right, white men -- as we see here -- are exceptional. Raikun even tried to suggest the shooter was black. That almost made DS spontaneously ejaculate. The real question here is, why can't these guys see a prima facie case of excessive force? Is it because the victim was black. Is it because the protesters are black. Is it because of the looting?

The number of shots fired into the unarmed victim -- makes the case damning on its face.

Guy went for officer's gun: so what.

Guy is 6'4": so what.

Guy robbed a convenience store: so what.

Excessive force here is a given no matter how much you smear the victim with culpability.

When you go over the facts that is the reaction because you present the facts that way.
All of those indicate that Wilson was in danger.
Why can't you see this, is it because Wilson is white (an worse yet a cop) an Brown was white. Since you seem to base the whole thing on race that holds more water than your claims.

Wilson had to be in danger of death to use deadly force and clearly he wasn't. Brown wasn't close to him when the fatal shot was fired, no powder burns, and was facing him so he wasn't fleeing (so the fleeing dangerous felon standard doesn't apply).

Wilson fails the only tests that allow a police officer to use deadly force.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:18:24 PM)

BTW. This is the second Governor to shot Obama the bird and order out the State's Guard units. Our friend Gov. Perry also said "fuck you asswhipe" and ordered his troops to the border also to enforce the law. Damn fine Governors issuing real Executive Orders. BTW, the judicial branch told that asshole DA to go screw herself and refused to issue a warrant for our good friend, Gov. Perry. Shit is starting to get fixed.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:20:31 PM)

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Wilson had to be in danger of death to use deadly force and clearly he wasn't. Brown wasn't close to him when the fatal shot was fired, no powder burns, and was facing him so he wasn't fleeing (so the fleeing dangerous felon standard doesn't apply).

Wilson fails the only tests that allow a police officer to use deadly force.


Except none of this is true. You've not heard, the cop shot Brown, fucked up on weed, when he refused an order to freeze and instead turned around and charged the cop. Sorry, but right wins again.




Arturas -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:24:05 PM)

Shit is getting fixed because good people stand up for what is right and have the courage to defend themselves when attacked and also tell the Press and the Pres. to go to hell and just do what they need to do.




subrosaDom -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/18/2014 4:24:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

BTW. This is the second Governor to shot Obama the bird and order out the State's Guard units. Our friend Gov. Perry also said "fuck you asswhipe" and ordered his troops to the border also to enforce the law. Damn fine Governors issuing real Executive Orders. BTW, the judicial branch told that asshole DA to go screw herself and refused to issue a warrant for our good friend, Gov. Perry. Shit is starting to get fixed.


Nothing gets fixed until January 20, 2017. Maybe.

Possibly on January 2, 2015 if the Dems have lost their majority in the Senate. That is TBD. But that doesn't stop Dictator's (excuse me, Executive) Orders.




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