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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 11:15:06 AM   
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Another district near STL fired it's whole police department. When have you ever read about such a thing?

Happen here over politics. They fired the new chief for demanding a raise, for his men.



It also happened in Camden, NJ because the police farce had become the biggest, most dangerous gang on the streets. That bunch of thugs was fired (conveniently never arrested despite loads of evidence and witness testimony) and replaced by the Camden County Police Department, which basically operates on "Shoot first, ask questions later, especially if it's one of those people."

The thrust of his point is still guilt by association, clearly Cloudboy has no problem with this do you. Remember Wilson was never implicated in the wrong doing and that until this article came out Wilson had been with the Ferguson PD for six years, that's three years before this happened.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 11:15:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		And as usual that story is wrong!!! Goddamn people that don't live here report any damn thing they hear. The Jennings Police Department was dissolved because of corruption... not racial divide. All that happened was the St. Louis County Police took over policing the city... The same department that joined with the Ferguson Police during the riot.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 11:46:02 AM   
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And as usual that story is wrong!!! Goddamn people that don't live here report any damn thing they hear. The Jennings Police Department was dissolved because of corruption... not racial divide. All that happened was the St. Louis County Police took over policing the city... The same department that joined with the Ferguson Police during the riot.

Butch

Here I am dying of not surprised.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 5:17:12 PM   
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You've convinced yourself that you're the physician who treated him now?

The physician who treated him says you are a phoquing liar.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 5:46:38 PM   
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Just shut up, Ken. Go away, and shut the fuck up. You are doing as much damage to the cause as the fuckwits throwing molotovs.

Roflmfao...do you actually read the moronic drivel you post? If you did you would know why no one takes anything you say seriously.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 5:47:37 PM   
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I'd rather see the elimination of the NLRB and the elimination of all special rights for unions.

What special rights do unions have?


Unions get the same rights as any other organization, whether it be Rotarians, Masons,

Arent rotarians and masons fraternal organizations? How does a fraternal organization equate to a union?


the Furniture Manufacturers Trade Association, etc. Then let police have their unions.

I disagree that if you kill someone who lose your career.

Would it be ok to loose his career if he murdered someone and tried unsuccessfully to say it was justified by department policy?



Otherwise, you'd be too gun shy and you'd be penalized for taking down a seriously bad guy.

Do you believe that "taking down a seriously bad guy" is preferential to arresting a suspect?



Few would risk losing their career and citizens would end up shooting the bad guys instead --

This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. How do you arrive at such a bizarre conclusion?

even when the copes were there. Having cams everywhere can help. It's a lot harder to argue with a video in real-time.

One would think so but then if the cops in furgestan believed that then why was the jailhouse camera set to a speed that could not capture anything?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 5:50:48 PM   
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Well that might explain why he made such a big deal about being stopped. A $50 box of stolen cigars and a ticket isn't much by itself, but another felony (strong arm robbery) on top of 4 he already had sounds like prison time to me. I'm sure this still won't change some folks minds though. He's still an angel and the officer was a murdering thug.

I notice you have not retracted this statement since it has been proved that the quoted source lied

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 5:59:01 PM   
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I've always heard this a bit differently. I believe what you're thinking of is the 21' rule. It was coined by Dennis Tueller, a police Sergeant, back in the 80s. It basically says that an average healthy male can cover 7 yards in 1.5 seconds. An acceptable time, with training, to draw and fire two center mass shots is 1.5 seconds. So if an attacker is less then 21' away, he'll most likely be able to harm you before you have time to take him down. Tueller established this 21' as a "danger zone" where he felt it was reasonable to engage a hostile opponent.

If one approaches this cops opinion with a bit of logic it is easy to see he is full of self serving shit.
What happens to the victim when the first shot hits him? So the two shot story is seen to be window dressing.
Since the cop in question had his gun out, the draw and fire senario looses 1.3 seconds(typical reaction time is .2 sec).



Mythbusters did an episode about this a year or two ago I believe. They found that at 20' the person with a gun was able to shot the attacker just as he reached them. (Leaving no room for error though.) Under 20, the attacker was able to stab before getting shot.


Once again we have a draw and fire as opposed to fire on response.




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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:06:54 PM   
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So why did the professional forensic pathologist say that no gun residue can evident in as close as one foot away?


Perhaps because he has his head up his ass? If you have a gun and a sheet of note book paper take it outside and fire at it from graduated distances and check for yourself how far away you can visually detect powder residue. What ever distance you find visually do you think that chemicals could find some at greater distances?



Are you doubting the same report you are citing? Or are you suggesting that the private pathologist did not know the caliber of weapon he was dealing with?

Why would the caliber of the weapon be an issue? The specialist hired by the family did not have access to the clothing where the gsw would be. The body would not necesarily have it.




Or maybe you are wrong, and don't know what exactly happened and are assuming a lot of different things that experts have said can and do happen?


If a trained expert can say that he could have been anywhere between 1 to 30 feet away and still not get residue on him, I tend to believe them, not you.

Since you obviously know nothing about firearms I should think you might seek a second opinion.


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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:11:23 PM   
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Real experts, not Ken, say that if a man with a knife is within ten yards you will most likely to get cut even if you shot him once he starts the charge.

Which "real experts" are you citing. Reaction time is typically .2 sec. So from the time you make your move till you wear a pill is .2 sec. which is just about enough time for you to get one foot up in the air.



Way back when I went to school 10 yards = 30 feet so 30 feet is the margin for imminent danger.

This would be nothing more than your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:13:25 PM   
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A broken eye socket is a severe beating.


When do you think it would be appropriate for you to acknowledge that his eye socket was not broken?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:18:58 PM   
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Since you obviously know nothing about firearms I should think you might seek a second opinion.




Since you are playing catchup, perhaps a time out to watch the video in my post will enlighten you as to the fact that I didn't say it, an esteemed professional forensic pathologist did.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4723678


I know plenty about firearms, however I am not qualified by any means to say whether or not it is possible to get gunshot residue on someone's skin at 1 foot away. I will take the word of the professional at this point in time. I am not sure how it is possible either, but if this man said that it is, then he has credentials, I do not.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:21:05 PM   
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Same here, I tend to give the police the benefit of the doubt,


Even though they treated you like a criminal for having a spent shell casing on your back seat. Damn boy you are sweeter than jesus.



but if they fuck up they fuck up and need to pay for it. What pisses me off, and gets me supporting them heavier then they might always deserve, is how many people will just automatically assume that the police are always guilty of anything and everything they hear about.


When the historical record supports that position why are you offende by truth?



Police have shitty jobs,


To which none of them were drafted.


and they're already dangerous enough


Before I offer you a prybar to get your foot out of your mouth perhaps you might want to look up just where cops are on the list of dangerous jobs.



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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:26:33 PM   
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Thank you M-3,

This is a nice compliment.

A lot of us on here really do try to do our best to keep it civil, informed and to the point.

This particular thread however, is really a difficult and emotional subject on many levels.

If you need any help, I am sure that some of us would be glad to assist in any way deemed appropriate. I know that I would.

I have to head out to the feed store now for a bit, but when I get back I will have some time for you.


If you got your tongue up that mods asshole any farther she would need turn signals on her ass to keep you from breaking your neck.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:29:48 PM   
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Ok how about a smile or even a laugh or two?

Here is Mr. Chris Rock, who by the way comes from ancestors that were enslaved by the Cherokee Nation and freed by the US and given 40 ac and a Mule. Check it out. I saw him on tv finding that out, he was just plain dumfounded, said something like, "daing and I always thought the Indians were my friends" or something to that effect.

He is a funny guy.

Here is the url, watch it and enjoy. And I hope it does not piss anyone off.

Listen up to what Mr Rock has to say!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=575727099190133

What is your point?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		>Wilson landed a job in 2009 as a rookie officer in Jennings, a small, struggling city of 14,000 where 89 percent of the residents were African American and poverty rates were high.

At the time, the 45-employee police unit had one or two black members on the force, said Allan Stichnote, a white Jennings City Council member.

Racial tension was endemic in Jennings, said Rodney Epps, an African American city council member.

“You’re dealing with white cops, and they don’t know how to address black people,” Epps said. “The straw that broke the camel’s back, an officer shot at a female. She was stopped for a traffic violation. She had a child in the back [of the] car and was probably worried about getting locked up. And this officer chased her down Highway 70, past city limits, and took a shot at her. Just ridiculous.”

Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force, Stichnote said. One black resident, Cassandra Fuller, sued the department claiming a white Jennings police officer beat her in June 2009 on her own porch after she made a joke. A car had smashed into her van, which was parked in front of her home, and she called police. The responding officer asked her to move the van. “It don’t run. You can take it home with you if you want,” she answered. She said the officer became enraged, threw her off the porch, knocked her to the ground and kicked her in the stomach.
The department paid Fuller a confidential sum to settle the case, she said.

“It’s like a horror story in my mind. I never thought a police officer would pull me off my porch and beat me to the ground, for just laughing,” Fuller said in an interview.

The Jennings department also had a corruption problem. A joint federal and local investigation discovered that a lieutenant had been accepting federal funds for drunken-driving checks that never happened.

All the problems became too much for the city council to bear, and in March 2011 the council voted 6-to-1 to shut down the department and hire St. Louis County to run its police services, putting Lt. Jeff Fuesting in charge as commander.<

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 6:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		“You’re dealing with white cops, and they don’t know how to address black people,”

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What a racist comment.
If you pay attention white cops are automatically bad cops because they don't treat blacks like they are special.

Maybe she was too bigoted to be able to deal with white cops.
If a white person made a comment like that about a black cop they would be instantly branded a Klansmen.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 7:05:26 PM   
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And yet, cliven bundys crowd were aiming guns at how many people and ....walked away.





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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 7:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would we want to believe the words of a city counsel member who was there to see first hand what was happening (in the Jennings Police Department.) It's amazing how white guys (Bama) always want to make issues about themselves. (From the whole piece, look at the one sentence he clips out. Is there a term known as racial narcissism?)

What did the Governor of MISSOURI do, he relieved the Captain of the Ferguson Police in favor of Ronald Johnson.

See also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/us/after-michael-brown-shooting-capt-ronald-johnson-redefined-leadership-in-ferguson.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A11%22%7D

(Keep in mind, with this crowd, there are NO RACIAL ISSUES, there's only black people playing the RACE CARD.)

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/25/2014 7:27:57 PM   
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Why would we want to believe the words of a city counsel member who was there to see first hand what was happening (in the Jennings Police Department.) It's amazing how white guys (Bama) always want to make issues about themselves. (From the whole piece, look at the one sentence he clips out. Is there a term known as racial narcissism?)

What did the Governor of MISSOURI do, he relieved the Captain of the Ferguson Police in favor of Ronald Johnson.

See also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/us/after-michael-brown-shooting-capt-ronald-johnson-redefined-leadership-in-ferguson.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A11%22%7D

I never made it about me.

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