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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

I'm not aware of any KKK members on this forum.

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How many whites and Asians have died because Al Sharpton egged them on? A lot more.

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Lack of agreement does not equal lack of understanding.

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I agree. Rioting can come from frustration. And with the unemployment rate among black youths being near 20%, maybe worse, there must be a lot of it.
However riots never make anything better. If you accept tweaks idea that it is the outgrowth of injustice rioting only justifies repression. If as many, including some residents of Ferguson believe, it is just an excuse for the lawless element to steal it needs to be condemned as such. In either they are doing a disservice to the very people they claim to be so concerned about.

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Lmfao.......... If you think riots never make anything better, wtf do you think a revolution is ?

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Re that last - I hope the NRA hasn't been too loud and aggressive in its support of the rioters, here. I wouldn't see that as helpful to the situation. Has Mr La Pierre managed to suppress his usual support of the masses against government forces on this occasion?

God, what a thought: What about La Pierre's advocating that rioters should be armed in the same way as the police who are attempting to control them? Would he be supporting an all out shooting match between rioters and police? Horrific.

I must say, it's hard for me to get my head around the idea of 'Right Wing' as it applies in the USA, versus here in the UK. Right wingers here would never support the idea of the oppressed masses having the same physical power as the authorities. Yet, there in the USA, a 'right winger' is someone who supports exactly that.

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In the context of a 69% black majority, what do you mean by "gain political power"? Do you object to non-whites electing a white mayor and council?

K.

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In the context of a 69% black majority, what do you mean by "gain political power"? Do you object to non-whites electing a white mayor and council?

K.

"--In 1980, the town was 85 percent white and 14 percent black; by 2010, it was 29 percent white and 69 percent black. But blacks did not gain political power as their numbers grew."

The idea here is that the black voters continue to be politically disenfranchised despite being in the majority of the population. The population is not protesting in a vacuum. Hopefully they will now organize and make some changes.

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As pointed out earlier this shows your total misunderstanding of conservatives. We do NOT condone lawlessness.

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Ours did and it wasn't what you seem to think it would have been.
Your refusal to take a "moral position" is what I was referring to. You may not see that a moral equivalence, but no one practicing it does.

I did take a moral position. As I've said, I cannot support savagery. But, and I'll make this point one, final time: the morals of all this are *secondary* to finding a solution to it. That was, at long, long last, discovered here. If you and others absolutely insist on limiting it to the moral debate, well, have at it. Keep on going till you're bored and feel satisfyingly smug enough, then wait till the next riot, when you can do the same thing all over again. Fun!

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As pointed out earlier this shows your total misunderstanding of conservatives. We do NOT condone lawlessness.

Yes, but I've seen you, on countless occasions, rail against an over-mighty government. That's why you support the 2nd Amendment, and that's why you support the ownership of guns. I can only imagine how infuriated you must have felt to see those pictures of cops aiming their rifles against unarmed protestors in that latest affair.

Will you be joining the next riot nearby, Bama, and taking your gun with you, in order to demonstrate your conservative instincts as you've always professed them so far?

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Lmfao.......... If you think riots never make anything better, wtf do you think a revolution is ?

As far as I can glean from Bama's comments thus far, PS, a revolution is where lots of people rise up against the oppressive English. However, where lots of people rise up against a governmental power that is *not* English - that's something entirely different - because only English people can be oppressive.

If you were to check the passports of all the police, government and other state operators involved here, you'd probably find that they are *American* passports. Therefore they can't be oppressive.

I hope that helps.

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As pointed out earlier this shows your total misunderstanding of conservatives. We do NOT condone lawlessness.

Yes, but I've seen you, on countless occasions, rail against an over-mighty government. That's why you support the 2nd Amendment, and that's why you support the ownership of guns. I can only imagine how infuriated you must have felt to see those pictures of cops aiming their rifles against unarmed protestors in that latest affair.

Will you be joining the next riot nearby, Bama, and taking your gun with you, in order to demonstrate your conservative instincts as you've always professed them so far?

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As pointed out earlier this shows your total misunderstanding of conservatives. We do NOT condone lawlessness.

Yes, but I've seen you, on countless occasions, rail against an over-mighty government. That's why you support the 2nd Amendment, and that's why you support the ownership of guns. I can only imagine how infuriated you must have felt to see those pictures of cops aiming their rifles against unarmed protestors in that latest affair.

Will you be joining the next riot nearby, Bama, and taking your gun with you, in order to demonstrate your conservative instincts as you've always professed them so far?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Please watch the video at the link. The print story does not provide the video content.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-missouri-st-louis-police-shooting-teen-20140811-story.html#page=1

There are too many facts yet to come out on this case, so I'm not sure yet if I'm going with, "fucking power-happy cop bastard," or "well, yeah, what did you think was going to happen when you assaulted a cop over your right to be a douchebag."

Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response.

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"I write demanding full accountability for the police killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown. On August 9, 2014, a Ferguson police officer racially profiled and fatally shot Michael as the teen stood in the street with his hands in the air. Police subsequently failed to properly notify the family of Michael's death and callously left the young man lying deceased in the street for hours.

This type of brutal and racially motivated police violence has no place in law enforcement. Every day, Black residents of Ferguson and Missouri face possible abuse and death at the hands of an officer due to discriminatory policing tactics based on dehumanizing racial stereotypes. In order to secure the necessary justice for Michael's family and prevent this type of indefensible violence in the future, you must take immediate action.

Please exercise your authority to complete a rigorous investigation of the Ferguson Police Department's racially discriminatory policing, prosecute said officers to the fullest extent of the law, and begin the firing process for all involved officers."

-- Rashad Robinson, the Executive Director of ColorOfChange.org,

I got the above message from a Petition being circulated on MoveOn.org.

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Exactly. None of the facts are present here and so this is simply racially motivated, the goal is to present the writer as some critical and important defender of the downtrodden, downtrodden by a police department the write claims is racial in it's policy and actions without presenting any substantive support for these claims. This reminds me of the Martin case when that nonsense was served up every night on a certain cable channel and it served to grab ratings at the expense of societal cohesiveness across racial lines.