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I guess you don't know that you can't count on backup till they arrive.
I guess you think that cops should always run from people threatening them, to hell with the civilians that person can turn on.
I guess that you don't know that none of the nonlethal tools at their disposal were not designed to effectively stop someone in this situation.

Cops have radios, they would have known that back up was very close

I didn't say always run, you did. The video doesn't show any civilians in close proximity, they had all backed away. In any case he was clearly focused on the cops

They didn't even consider any non lethal tools, they got out the car and drew their weapons.

Again, can you only see 2 options, shoot the guy multiple times or be stabbed?

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Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me.

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This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself.

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I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable?
I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable.

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stop wasting bandwidth.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me.

My attitude did not change about anything. If my child did that in front of a police officer, of course I would be devastated, but I would also understand why the officer did what he did. You seem to know a lot about what I think... tell me what I am thinking right now.

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This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself.

From what I can see from his actions on the video, he did. Most people that do not want to die usually do not commit a crime, wait for the police to arrive, and approach the police with a weapon in their hand screaming, "Shoot Me!" If you claim to know what was going through this man's mind before he was shot, then I suggest you are wasting your time here and should be either playing the lottery or hosting your own TV show.

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I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable?
I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable.

Yes. You are unreasonable, and deluded enough to claim you can know what I am thinking. My discussion of the steak knife did not pertain to whether or not it could penetrate a vest or not, it was in response to the question of whether or not a steak knife was a weapon capable of killing. You ignored that part of it for your own purposes.

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stop wasting bandwidth.

Indeed. I know when something is futile, and a rational discussion with you is futile.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Call it what you will. My point is that your cavilear attitude about the dead man turned around instantly when it might by one of yours laying on the sidewalk with a half dozen bullets in him. Now either deal with your two faced duplicity or step off, it makes no difference to me.

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This thread is about the death of a black man which you diminished by saying he killed himself.

Yes we all saw that black man put a gun to his head and pull the trigger 9 times

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I cite data that shows that body armor does stop knife attacks and I am being unreasonable?
I point out that gsw will be present at a distance of 1 foot and you choose to ignore your own factual knowledge about gsw and you claim I am unreasonable.

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stop wasting bandwidth.

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You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately.

One has to wonder why you feel badly agreeing with the truth?

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You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile.

So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times?

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You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile.

So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times?

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As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately.

We are all judging Powell with straight-thinking, rational minds.
This may not have been how Powell was and quite likely, not fully aware of the 'usual' circumstances of his actions.

Suicide by cop? Possibly.
But there could have been a different outcome.
It's not always best to shoot first and ask questions later - at least it shouldn't be.
I'm sure it was quite possible to take him down without killing him.

And this is precisely what is very wrong with the gun culture of the US.
Far too many unnecessary gun deaths because it's the easy way out.

You are aware are you not that at the point when they fired he was so close that they no longer had enough space to keep him from stabbing them.
You have to know that they tried talking to him first.
Were they supposed to keep talking till he actually stabbed one of them?

can I just copy in something I wrote earlier that you have ignored?

so do you really think that there were only 2 ways that this confrontation could have been concluded?

Either the cops shot the guy multiple times or the cops got stabbed?

No other options?

I guess the cops were unaware of the car they had just got out of that could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of the big open empty street behind them that could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of all the back up which arrived less than 2 minutes after they did which could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of the non lethal equipment at their disposal which could have been used?

Fair enough then, I guess the only option was to get out of the car, draw their guns and kill him.

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You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about.

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You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about.

They had plenty of options - they chose not to employ them.
One could have called while the other diverted the attention of Powell; so yes, they could have called.
12-15 seconds was ample time to change weapons (or retire a little ways) but they chose to ignore that option.
They were in a car, Powell was on foot. They could easily had driven off in one direction or the other to avoid the conflict.

There were plenty of ways it could of been avoided: by the cops taking many other options rather than shoot him.

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As much as I usually disagree with Thompson, he does have a point.... unfortunately.

We are all judging Powell with straight-thinking, rational minds.
This may not have been how Powell was and quite likely, not fully aware of the 'usual' circumstances of his actions.

Suicide by cop? Possibly.
But there could have been a different outcome.
It's not always best to shoot first and ask questions later - at least it shouldn't be.
I'm sure it was quite possible to take him down without killing him.

And this is precisely what is very wrong with the gun culture of the US.
Far too many unnecessary gun deaths because it's the easy way out.

You are aware are you not that at the point when they fired he was so close that they no longer had enough space to keep him from stabbing them.
You have to know that they tried talking to him first.
Were they supposed to keep talking till he actually stabbed one of them?

can I just copy in something I wrote earlier that you have ignored?

so do you really think that there were only 2 ways that this confrontation could have been concluded?

Either the cops shot the guy multiple times or the cops got stabbed?

No other options?

I guess the cops were unaware of the car they had just got out of that could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of the big open empty street behind them that could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of all the back up which arrived less than 2 minutes after they did which could have been used?

I guess the cops were unaware of the non lethal equipment at their disposal which could have been used?

Fair enough then, I guess the only option was to get out of the car, draw their guns and kill him.

It's the way Bama thinks.

Always seems to have that "kill or be killed" gun mentality.
There is no other way in his books - only ever 2 options.

Kevlar on it's own is still pretty good; even with knives. Bearing in mind that personal body armour also has many other layers which make it very effective against firearms and knives (as thompson pointed out), Bama chooses to ignore this fact.
He also chooses to ignore all other options (tasers, sprays, nightsticks, temporary retreats, using the car, etc) and still insists it's a "kill or be killed" situation.

Given that gauge said the video was barely 12-15 seconds long from beginning to end, there couldn't have been much in the way of "conversation" or talking with Powell.

WTF??? Let's kill the crazy fucker and plead self defense - typical gun culture response and all too easy.

It'll probably get recorded as suicide by cop - an easy way to sweep the whole situation under the carpet.
Personally, I'm thinking along the lines of trigger-happy cops taking the easy way out.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

You have said some really stupid things but that is pretty close to the top of the pile.

So anyway we are no closer to answering the question. It was kill or be killed? No other option? Having watched the video you are 100% happy that the cops had to shoot him 9 times?

I am not happy that the cops had to shoot at all. You suffer from the delusion that since the cops had little choice in the matter that this somehow delights me. There was no time to call there was no time to switch weapons and they came in answering an armed robbery call. Tragic. You know how it could have been avoided? If Powell had stayed home. If he hadn't introduced lethal weapons into the situation, if he hadn't insisted on advancing on the cops in spite of warnings. He brought this on himself. That doesn't even remotely mean there is anything to be happy about.

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You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Given that gauge said the video was barely 12-15 seconds long from beginning to end, there couldn't have been much in the way of "conversation" or talking with Powell.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

Are you 100% certain that the cops all the steps they could to avoid killing a man?

I don't think they took any steps

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You have an avatar of a man burning himself to death and you dare to talk about anyone elses' reverence for life?

To be fair, Bama, you have an avatar of a particularly thick-looking dog. Yet most people try hard not to make any judgements against you for it.