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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/2/2014 6:58:38 PM   
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Ron, I think a better solution, admittedly very long term, is meaningful international law and cooperation.


A world govt would be a disaster for those that want someplace to escape to.. there will be no country to escape to.. Your "meaningful international law and cooperation" will have the same result as you have in the US.. the powerful and controlling corporations/1%ers will control those politicians too, just as they do in the US now..

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 10:53:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not surprisingly what is being ignored here is that these so-called free trade agreements are not free trade agreements at all. They codify advantages for the richest lobby.

NAFTA and the like do not end farm and agric. export subsidies, do nothing to stop ethanol subsidies and tariffs and textile restrictions.

The so-called free trade agreements are debated behind closed doors, get an up or down vote without debate or amendments.

Gee, I wonder why ?

Most countries try to make deals in the interest of their countries. The US, China and a few others do not. They make deals in the principals (politicians and investors) own short-term self interests, i,e, the capitalists or the so-called communists.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:01:37 AM   
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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:02:14 AM   
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Dump freemarket and freetrade communism.



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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:03:29 AM   
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Ron, I think a better solution, admittedly very long term, is meaningful international law and cooperation.


A world govt would be a disaster for those that want someplace to escape to.. there will be no country to escape to.. Your "meaningful international law and cooperation" will have the same result as you have in the US.. the powerful and controlling corporations/1%ers will control those politicians too, just as they do in the US now..


What will make that okay though, is that they will campaign on "Hope & Change"

And have a rainbowsexual woman of color as their figurehead

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:04:08 AM   
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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:04:26 AM   
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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:35:16 AM   
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That's perfectionist fallacy thinking. The justice system doesn't stop all crime -- should we eliminate it then? Doctors don't cure all injuries and illnesses -- should we get rid of medicine?

I don't know of this was in response to my post but if so, was not even on point.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:39:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's exactly on the point. You want to ditch free trade agreements because they don't solve all trade problems.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:44:28 AM   
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What the hell does that have to do with free trade?


Maybe the little dancing troll with the mouth full of gibberish can try to break it down to a level you can understand

I believe it's his week to hold your hand

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:49:05 AM   
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Thanks for playing.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 12:45:50 PM   
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It's exactly on the point. You want to ditch free trade agreements because they don't solve all trade problems.

I want to ditch free trade agreements because they do not involve or promote free trade at all.

That's why they are debated out of the public eye to avoid public debate, unlike laws enforced by the DOJ BTW and are subject in congress to an up or down vote without any amendments. Amendments would upset their carefully crafted advantages one of which is making sure any product made by Americans whose production is shifted to say Mexico can be shipped back and sold without tariffs or duties.

After all of the unmitigated bullshit about how NAFTA would serve both the American and Mexican people and it has done nothing of the kind, we went from a trade surplus to a trade deficit with them.



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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 1:29:41 PM   
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Yes, I am all for that, and they can pay extra for police protection, may not spend any money in the us for political purposes, lobbyists, pay extra for any use of american resources such as roads, and higher property taxes on their buildings and grounds.........register with the state department as foreign agents, and we need some legislative actions that would raise foreign based corporate taxes in the US above those paid by Americans.


Trade wars

Great idea

Why not just build higher walls to keep our people in. With towers, spotlights and sharpshooters

OMG.

There's a political position on which we actually agree. Strongly even.

Well, not about the sharpshooters, but I'm assuming that part's irony.

And, it has long been an essential part of my disagreement with Democrats -- global free trade is here to stay, and for good reason.

Interestingly, in our bizarre political climate today, it's also among my disagreements with the Tea Party conservative wing.



'Global Free Trade' has been here before and it was soon usurped. The years before WW1 were the golden age of free trade where people were free to travel anywhere without need for identification and goods were exchanged freely around the world.

There is an argument to say that war is inevitable somewhere along the line as a result of Free Trade. Either way, Free Trade is a liberal principle, certainly not a conservative principle; no matter how much your Republican Party or our Conservative Party call themselves conservatives. They may be socially conservative, but to all intents and purposes they are liberal parties economically.

I personally am a proponent of Free Trade, and a died-in-the-wool liberal, but it's not without its limitations and you can bet your house that it's not here to stay without some sort of break.






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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/3/2014 11:52:20 PM   
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Yes, I am all for that, and they can pay extra for police protection, may not spend any money in the us for political purposes, lobbyists, pay extra for any use of american resources such as roads, and higher property taxes on their buildings and grounds.........register with the state department as foreign agents, and we need some legislative actions that would raise foreign based corporate taxes in the US above those paid by Americans.


Trade wars

Great idea

Why not just build higher walls to keep our people in. With towers, spotlights and sharpshooters

OMG.

There's a political position on which we actually agree. Strongly even.

Well, not about the sharpshooters, but I'm assuming that part's irony.

And, it has long been an essential part of my disagreement with Democrats -- global free trade is here to stay, and for good reason.

Interestingly, in our bizarre political climate today, it's also among my disagreements with the Tea Party conservative wing.



'Global Free Trade' has been here before and it was soon usurped. The years before WW1 were the golden age of free trade where people were free to travel anywhere without need for identification and goods were exchanged freely around the world.

There is an argument to say that war is inevitable somewhere along the line as a result of Free Trade. Either way, Free Trade is a liberal principle, certainly not a conservative principle; no matter how much your Republican Party or our Conservative Party call themselves conservatives. They may be socially conservative, but to all intents and purposes they are liberal parties economically.

I personally am a proponent of Free Trade, and a died-in-the-wool liberal, but it's not without its limitations and you can bet your house that it's not here to stay without some sort of break.


I would agree but there is little truly free trade in this world today. Plus, back in the day under the British empire there was 'free' trade but only on British terms which meant by their rules, under their currency issued by the Bank of England and mostly if not exclusively to the benefit of the British.

As I've been writing here, far too many agreements today are subject to too many varying restrictions, subsidies and tariffs which is hardly free trade. Free trade so-called today, is nothing that is designed to benefit the societies at large that are involved but a codifying of trade in the interests of the most powerful political and economic forces behind [its] negotiations.









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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/4/2014 1:36:50 PM   
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Yes, I am all for that, and they can pay extra for police protection, may not spend any money in the us for political purposes, lobbyists, pay extra for any use of american resources such as roads, and higher property taxes on their buildings and grounds.........register with the state department as foreign agents, and we need some legislative actions that would raise foreign based corporate taxes in the US above those paid by Americans.


Trade wars

Great idea

Why not just build higher walls to keep our people in. With towers, spotlights and sharpshooters

OMG.

There's a political position on which we actually agree. Strongly even.

Well, not about the sharpshooters, but I'm assuming that part's irony.

And, it has long been an essential part of my disagreement with Democrats -- global free trade is here to stay, and for good reason.

Interestingly, in our bizarre political climate today, it's also among my disagreements with the Tea Party conservative wing.



'Global Free Trade' has been here before and it was soon usurped. The years before WW1 were the golden age of free trade where people were free to travel anywhere without need for identification and goods were exchanged freely around the world.

There is an argument to say that war is inevitable somewhere along the line as a result of Free Trade. Either way, Free Trade is a liberal principle, certainly not a conservative principle; no matter how much your Republican Party or our Conservative Party call themselves conservatives. They may be socially conservative, but to all intents and purposes they are liberal parties economically.

I personally am a proponent of Free Trade, and a died-in-the-wool liberal, but it's not without its limitations and you can bet your house that it's not here to stay without some sort of break.






Ah.....no. Tariffs and protectionism go back centuries.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/4/2014 5:15:20 PM   
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I see . . . so it has nothing whatsoever to do with free trade.

Thanks for playing.


Is that what your little dancing dick puppet told you?

Go with it then. Its going to be about as accurate as everything else you believe.

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RE: OMG.. Another US corporate Tax Inversion!!! - 9/4/2014 7:28:09 PM   
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Give it a rest.

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