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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 9:37:23 PM   
BamaD


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You ignore the 2nd half of the amendment you then reinterpret the first half anyway you want.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 10:02:14 PM   
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Yeah...I fixed it. I am a techno-idiot when it comes to posting from my phone

It still flipped half way through and showed him as responses to your post but I was able to follow it.
Have you noticed that the less j has to sa thoughty, the more words he uses.
He is our most verbose poster.
I particularly liked the part where he said that you don't have a right to bear arms then on his next line assured you that no one was trying to restrict your rights.

What I really mind is having my words twisted or words I never used put in my mouth.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 10:28:56 PM   
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Yeah...I fixed it. I am a techno-idiot when it comes to posting from my phone

It still flipped half way through and showed him as responses to your post but I was able to follow it.
Have you noticed that the less j has to sa thoughty, the more words he uses.
He is our most verbose poster.
I particularly liked the part where he said that you don't have a right to bear arms then on his next line assured you that no one was trying to restrict your rights.

What I really mind is having my words twisted or words I never used put in my mouth.


I didn't do that did I, if so it was unintentional.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 11:02:42 PM   
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He is our most verbose poster.

I'll see your joether and raise you njlauren.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 11:05:23 PM   
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Yeah...I fixed it. I am a techno-idiot when it comes to posting from my phone

It still flipped half way through and showed him as responses to your post but I was able to follow it.
Have you noticed that the less j has to sa thoughty, the more words he uses.
He is our most verbose poster.
I particularly liked the part where he said that you don't have a right to bear arms then on his next line assured you that no one was trying to restrict your rights.

What I really mind is having my words twisted or words I never used put in my mouth.


I didn't do that did I, if so it was unintentional.
No...joether did. That's why I pointed it out in my reply to him and asked him to bring up the posts where I said what he said I did.

Hell, I even offered to turn myself over to the mods if he could...


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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/28/2014 11:40:15 PM   
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I think I missed something. Whatever could this mean? Do tell Moddy3.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:04:35 AM   
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But it is neither guns nor traditional American culture.


I sure wish you could tell me what it is then.... I don't mean this question to be smart ass I am just curious what you think...in a few words.

Butch


Dont hold your breath for an enlightend reply from him Butch.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:06:56 AM   
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Bama... we are talking about guns...I am all for any other responsible legislation that protects children... name a need for me.

There is no such thing as a law that covers everything... you must take one law to cover each issue. Because you don't address all issues at once does not mean you don't address one.

Butch

You need to think outside the box.
Why fight for gun legislation and only deal with part of it when you can have an easier fight and attack the whole problem.
You mean they can't write a law controlling exposing children to unreasonable levels of danger unless they mirco manage each possible way this can happen? In that case you are right in that there will never be a solution.


Outside the box........ Good God could you post anything more moronic.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:29:22 AM   
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Good God could you post anything more moronic.


I'm not sure you really want an answer to that question Polite ....... given some of the contributions and thinking(?) displayed on this topic to date, I've no doubt that someone could very easily post something more moronic.

Two days ago, in post #94, I asked:"Can any one advance a single sane reason why it is necessary or even desirable for 9 year olds to handle machine guns?" To date I haven't seen any reasons advanced. That may be because there is no sane reason to expose children to the joys of playing with machine guns.

I get that many adults enjoy firearm sports and hunting. But I am unable to understand why any one would ever expose children as young as 9 to machine guns. The silence from the usual pro-gun posters on this question is significant.

We all raise the roof when we see children being trained as soldiers or exposed to extremist ideologies in the Middle East by groups we don't like. Is training kids in using machine guns that different? If we all agree that it is senseless to expose children to machine gun use, then can we all agree that something should be done to stop it? An unqualified "right to bear arms" surely doesn't extend to children too.

Do the pro-gun posters here have any suggestions on what might be done to prevent children being exposed to weapons such as Uzis? Do they have any objections to laws being enacted to prevent such exposure? If they have a problem with this idea, I would like to hear it and their reasons for their opposition.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:42:13 AM   
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Oh well if they only know about 1400 underage girls sold as sex slaves with those magnificent cops of yours looking the other way it's no problem. By all means return to telling the Americans how much better you are.


Jesus, Bama. If you never learn anything else from a non-American - please, please learn this: Americans *do not get* to play the 'oppressed' card any more. Re Brits, particularly, it's now centuries out of date. It's seriously beyond pathetic.



Pointing out that the brits on this site like to crow about how much better things are over there isn't playing the "oppressed" card. It's simply pointing out facts. So I guess if you never learn anything else you might want to learn that we really don't give a rats ass how much better you think it is.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:45:21 AM   
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Ask Rich, he bought the topic up, no one else.


Weird, isn't it? We Brits being accused of bringing up the Rotherham Paedo scandal here? Well, I guess people will read through this thread - or not - and see what they want to see.


I guess they do read through and see what they want to see. Kinda like you did right here when you thought you were being accused of bringing up Rotherham and they really meant racism.



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AND BTW WHAT DOES RACEISM HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?



Ask Rich, he bought the topic up, no one else.

As for the telegraph, its just a right wing rag. I vote conservative and even i wont read it.

Regards starting a thread, when a mod tells me its not off topic, instead of a sock, I will gladly do so. That said, I just know you will be spouting ill informed comments, you always do.




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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:50:05 AM   
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Pointing out that the brits on this site like to crow about how much better things are over there isn't playing the "oppressed" card. It's simply pointing out facts. So I guess if you never learn anything else you might want to learn that we really don't give a rats ass how much better you think it is.


Right, that explains why you never bring it up then, THB.


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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 3:55:40 AM   
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Because you are an idiot.
As demonstrated by the fact that you think I said that children are just short adults.


very clever and articulated answer, you're such a wanderfull person, some day I hope to be just like you.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 4:01:02 AM   
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Good God could you post anything more moronic.


I'm not sure you really want an answer to that question Polite ....... given some of the contributions and thinking(?) displayed on this topic to date, I've no doubt that someone could very easily post something more moronic.

Two days ago, in post #94, I asked:"Can any one advance a single sane reason why it is necessary or even desirable for 9 year olds to handle machine guns?" To date I haven't seen any reasons advanced. That may be because there is no sane reason to expose children to the joys of playing with machine guns.

I get that many adults enjoy firearm sports and hunting. But I am unable to understand why any one would ever expose children as young as 9 to machine guns. The silence from the usual pro-gun posters on this question is significant.

We all raise the roof when we see children being trained as soldiers or exposed to extremist ideologies in the Middle East by groups we don't like. Is training kids in using machine guns that different? If we all agree that it is senseless to expose children to machine gun use, then can we all agree that something should be done to stop it? An unqualified "right to bear arms" surely doesn't extend to children too.

Do the pro-gun posters here have any suggestions on what might be done to prevent children being exposed to weapons such as Uzis? Do they have any objections to laws being enacted to prevent such exposure? If they have a problem with this idea, I would like to hear it and their reasons for their opposition.



this might be a hard concept for you to grasp but it could be that no one has said it was a good idea because no one here thinks it's a good idea. Now I realize that you like to think you know how everyone else thinks and feels but this is a good example of you not having a clue. And they have not been silent on this thread, they have stated very clearly that they think the instructor was an asshat. As to what can be done to prevent children from being exposed to Uzi's, that also had been mentioned. You don't give them one if the first place. Not rocket science.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 4:02:43 AM   
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Pointing out that the brits on this site like to crow about how much better things are over there isn't playing the "oppressed" card. It's simply pointing out facts. So I guess if you never learn anything else you might want to learn that we really don't give a rats ass how much better you think it is.


Right, that explains why you never bring it up then, THB.



I bring it up from time to time because sometimes it's fun to poke the troll and watch him sputter.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 4:22:56 AM   
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I bring it up from time to time because sometimes it's fun to poke the troll and watch him sputter.


Well, if you enjoy poking yourself, who am I stop you?

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 4:26:34 AM   
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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 5:26:08 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD9i718kBU

World's a better place if thats the ol' Wembley we shoot, innit?

Otherwise, it appears 'poitless', dunnit?

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 5:31:01 AM   
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We all raise the roof when we see children being trained as soldiers or exposed to extremist ideologies in the Middle East by groups we don't like. Is training kids in using machine guns that different? If we all agree that it is senseless to expose children to machine gun use, then can we all agree that something should be done to stop it? An unqualified "right to bear arms" surely doesn't extend to children too.

Do the pro-gun posters here have any suggestions on what might be done to prevent children being exposed to weapons such as Uzis? Do they have any objections to laws being enacted to prevent such exposure? If they have a problem with this idea, I would like to hear it and their reasons for their opposition.

The problem is, tweak, Where do you draw the line that separates 'children' from 'adults'??

According to Bama, at 15 upwards, you're an adult.
In the days of when the constitution was written, I believe you were allowed to join the military ranks at aged 14.
And I'm sure there are many on here that know a well-behaved and 'responsible-thinking' child of 12 and also a completely irresponsible idiot of 18 that you wouldn't trust to handle eating irons!!

So where do you draw the line?
Merely picking an appropriate number for an age delineation would be problematic.
It could be argued that until you reached the accepted 'age of majority' (18), you shouldn't be allowed to handle guns of any sort. But then you'll get pro-gun people arguing that they wouldn't be able to teach their kids gun safety.

Personally, given that you aren't ever likely to eradicate guns from the populace in the US, I think it should be 18 for guns and 21 for semi/automatic weapons, with very severe penalties for the parents/guardians that break that law.



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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 6:07:57 AM   
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Imperfect, but sort of where we are cooking our beans these days.

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