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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 11:22:01 AM   
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So by your assessment it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till 18. That is silly.

And by your own logic, it's perfectly safe (and should be legal) to have your 8 or 9yo kid driving around the streets in your car with you sitting beside them??
Now that's silly!!

And yes, it's tantamount to the same thing.


ETA: road sense also needs to be ingrained so it becomes second nature too!!


A couple of minor points that were clearly beyond your reasoning ability.
A a shooting range is a vastly more controlled environment that city streets
B if they are on private property there is no law against a 9 year old driving, don't know what it is like there but any kid who lives on a farm in this country is driving by 10 or eleven, on their parents property. And it is legal.

A) I don't agree. The recent incident (one of many and the point of this thread) proves that point.
B) It's the same here.

On private land, it comes down to responsibility.
Just the sheer number of gun deaths in the US compared to anywhere else proves to me that there are waay too many gun owners who are not responsible. Period.


Virtually all gun ranges are on private property so you blew it again.
Let me repeat something and make it clearer for you.
Every close call I have had on a range happened with someone trained like you think they should be (that and when my first wife <who had been taught your way>). Never a problem with people taught my way.
Let's see your "I would like it this way" has led to more problems in my experience than the more that double the people I have dealt with who learned my way. As always, you lose.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 11:27:35 AM   
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....As always, you lose.

LMFAO!!!!

I live in a country where I have NO fear of being shot or killed by a gun.
My kids and their friends have that same sense of security no matter where they go.
I have more chance of being struck twice by lightning.

You can't say that of the US of sunny fucking A.
I haven't lost anything, except maybe my sanity trying to make you see sense.


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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 11:49:08 AM   
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....As always, you lose.

LMFAO!!!!

I live in a country where I have NO fear of being shot or killed by a gun.
My kids and their friends have that same sense of security no matter where they go.
I have more chance of being struck twice by lightning.

You can't say that of the US of sunny fucking A.
I haven't lost anything, except maybe my sanity trying to make you see sense.


You lost that before you ever heard of me.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 11:56:17 AM   
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and I know who she was, not sure why she is socking it.




Oh do pray tell who am I? Because I'm not now nor have I ever been a sock... do so explain it Ronnie boy.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 8/29/2014 12:04:50 PM   
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Pointing out that the brits on this site like to crow about how much better things are over there isn't playing the "oppressed" card. It's simply pointing out facts. So I guess if you never learn anything else you might want to learn that we really don't give a rats ass how much better you think it is.


For someone who claims no to give a rats arse, you sure make a lot of noise.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 12:49:57 PM   
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Take a look CLOSELY for 2011... remember gun deaths are listed as homicides even if accidents... This is an Unintentional Injury deaths by age pdf.

Do you think there were enough for you 14 and below to consider a law like I proposed?

Butch

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 1:03:43 PM   
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Take a look CLOSELY for 2011... remember gun deaths are listed as homicides even if accidents... This is an Unintentional Injury deaths by age pdf.

Do you think there were enough for you 14 and below to consider a law like I proposed?

Butch

We are still discussing the study warped to prove a point aren't we, I take nothing in that as valid. The mere fact that they count accidents as homicides should tell you something.
But there is nothing inherently dangerous about teaching 14 year olds firearm safety. In fact quite the opposite.
When you cut 15 + out of the study you have eliminated 84 percent of the data. The fact that they packed it with 84% invalid data invalidates the study.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 1:35:35 PM   
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That aint what he said, but you go boy, nice strawman.



Then maybe you can explain what he meant when he said "keeping kids completely away from such items" and "and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age." because it sure sounds like he thinks it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till they reach that magic age. Unless of course you plan on teaching them with videos and books and not let them actually see a gun. Because that won't encourage them to take a look when they are alone. Yea, good plan.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 1:45:09 PM   
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That aint what he said, but you go boy, nice strawman.



Then maybe you can explain what he meant when he said "keeping kids completely away from such items" and "and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age." because it sure sounds like he thinks it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till they reach that magic age. Unless of course you plan on teaching them with videos and books and not let them actually see a gun. Because that won't encourage them to take a look when they are alone. Yea, good plan.

That approach reminds me of the Movie "Order of the Phoenix" and their teaching defense against the black arts class.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 2:18:30 PM   
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That aint what he said, but you go boy, nice strawman.





Then maybe you can explain what he meant when he said "keeping kids completely away from such items" and "and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age." because it sure sounds like he thinks it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till they reach that magic age. Unless of course you plan on teaching them with videos and books and not let them actually see a gun. Because that won't encourage them to take a look when they are alone. Yea, good plan.


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We have drawn the line at the age of majority for most things as being 18. Not perfect, I know. For more dangerous things, alcohol, handgun ownership and so on, the bar is set at 21.

Imperfect, but sort of where we are cooking our beans these days.


Incorrect you can buy a gun from a private seller in the majority of states at 18.

Tweak posed the question of laws to stop children being 'exp18osed' to such weapons, not the owning of them.
I interpret that as keeping kids completely away from such items (like tobacco & booze etc) and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age.

So by your assessment it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till 18. That is silly.

I will not bother with quotes, dumbasses not being capable of the most basic English comprehension.

You people gotta quit taking fucking stupid pills, you are already shitbreathing imbeciles.





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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 8/29/2014 5:21:41 PM   
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That aint what he said, but you go boy, nice strawman.





Then maybe you can explain what he meant when he said "keeping kids completely away from such items" and "and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age." because it sure sounds like he thinks it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till they reach that magic age. Unless of course you plan on teaching them with videos and books and not let them actually see a gun. Because that won't encourage them to take a look when they are alone. Yea, good plan.


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We have drawn the line at the age of majority for most things as being 18. Not perfect, I know. For more dangerous things, alcohol, handgun ownership and so on, the bar is set at 21.

Imperfect, but sort of where we are cooking our beans these days.


Incorrect you can buy a gun from a private seller in the majority of states at 18.

Tweak posed the question of laws to stop children being 'exp18osed' to such weapons, not the owning of them.
I interpret that as keeping kids completely away from such items (like tobacco & booze etc) and that would include the teaching/handling of weapons until they reached the designated age.

So by your assessment it should be illegal to teach someone how to safely use firearms till 18. That is silly.

I will not bother with quotes, dumbasses not being capable of the most basic English comprehension.

You people gotta quit taking fucking stupid pills, you are already shitbreathing imbeciles.






In other words, no you can't explain it. Thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 9/8/2014 1:33:35 PM   
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That's serious...another pointless gun death.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 9/8/2014 1:39:47 PM   
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That's serious...another pointless gun death.


Welcome to the board. Now....why are you resurrecting this thread? You have something new to add to the discussion?

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 9/8/2014 5:00:45 PM   
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That's serious...another pointless gun death.


Do you think it isnt serious, not that thats the word I used. One would certainly hope you saw a killing done by a child with an Uzi as pointless, at the very least.

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 9/8/2014 5:05:42 PM   
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and I know who she was, not sure why she is socking it.





Another sock............ Well I never !!


Disgusted........ of Tunbridge Wells.

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RE: Another pointless gun death. - 9/8/2014 5:07:07 PM   
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That's serious...another pointless gun death.


Welcome to the board. Now....why are you resurrecting this thread? You have something new to add to the discussion?



New Poster......... first post......... Hmmmmmmmmm ?

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RE: Another poitless gun death. - 9/8/2014 5:58:09 PM   
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and I know who she was, not sure why she is socking it.





Another sock............ Well I never !!


Disgusted........ of Tunbridge Wells.



Sock requires having two active accounts, As Ron knows the previous account I had is closed which makes it NOT a sock, Mod 3 can confirm of they ever so desire....

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