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ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:45:12 PM)
The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued. The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife. The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy.

BamaD -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:45:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer That story seems to be too new at this time for any idea of motive, K. But, yes, it is absolutely gobsmacking. And this thread is another cruel attempt to take advantage of a stupid senseless accident to score political points. Oh yeah, because there have not been.....any....threads on here in which the gun nuts have stated 'If that person only had a gun, things would have been different'. Go right a head, BamaD....TRY....to bullshit to all of us that has...NEVER...happened on this forum. If its 'ok' for you to do it, its 'ok' for others to do it as well. And you don't like it; well....tough shit! No, this thread is pointing out....YOU DONT GIVE FIREARMS TO CHILDREN..... Particularly ones that are powerful. I would think most firearm owners would never do such a think for pretty obvious reasons. But that is the problem, the remainder would do it. And therein lies the problem. And why laws get created. Why are there stickers on large, bulky, vending machines that say 'do not tip'? Why are you told 'keep head, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times'? Why are we told not to takes prescription drugs that were not prescribed to us by a certified medical person? Most people can understand the reason why you don't give a 9 year old girl (or boy) a powerful firearm. Unfortunately, the remainder doesn't. And that's why laws get created. To create a punishment in the hopes the would-be offender doesn't take the action. No but you guys insist on pretending we do.

Kirata -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:46:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom As I understand it, the instructor did not have his hand on the Uzi when he went to automatic fire. I've seen no indication that he ever "went to automatic fire." It could be that the selector was moved inadvertently. K.

BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:47:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. As I understand it, the instructor did not have his hand on the Uzi when he went to automatic fire. Anyone with the most basic knowledge of physics knows that the the recoil of an Uzi firing automatically is well-nigh impossible for a 9-year-old girl to handle -- even if she expected it. This is simply gross negligence. I don't have much respect for the parents either. I'm all for gun safety and for kids' knowing how to shoot, but you're not ready for an Uzi at 9, boy or girl. At best, that falls into the category of "look how cool this is, my kid firing an Uzi," which is parental narcissism. So the parents are at fault for allowing this at all. The instructor is at fault for gross negligence, but of course he's dead now. Since they employed him, the range is clearly liable. No argument

subrosaDom -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either.

AQRMZ -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:55:37 PM)
Not in reply to anyone. Just a few minutes ago on the nightly news. The "instructor was not a licensed instructor and that is not required there." The video which shows more than the link above, showed that the instructor was standing on the "wrong" side of the little girl. He had his hand on her back instead of her shoulder. He was on her left side and should have been on her right. Had he been where he should have been, according to the range owner, he would not have been shot. So, I guess you could say it was ultimately his fault and the poor guy paid the ultimate price. When the recoil raised the muzzle up it went right towards his head. The vid was stopped just before it showed him being shot. This info came from an interview with the range owner in his words on camera. Just info on the facts, not meant to imply anything one way or another about what is right or wrong or who this or that. I feel sorry for the little girl, this is something that will be tough to live with. I hope she can deal with it.

BamaD -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:56:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued. The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife. The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy. Again we have a gunaphobe attacking people for comments they have not and will not make just to score points off of this tragedy.

quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:57:47 PM)
The title should read Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy..... The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either.... Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all... [8\|]

BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:58:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either. Or give them the car keys and say have fun.

eulero83 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 4:59:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either. Where car death are the biggest conern "another pointless car death" would be the news' title for such a case. By the way I hope it's illegal in the us allowing a 10 year old to drive a car.

BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:01:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten The title should read Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy..... The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either.... Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all... [8\|] Or the dozen or so kids who have died this summer because their idiot parents left them in hot cars and went drinking.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:02:09 PM)
Wrong again - no gunophobe me. I own several and enjoy shooting at the range. Oh come on - you KNOW the NRA nutbaggers will blame Obama for this.

Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:02:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom As I understand it, the instructor did not have his hand on the Uzi when he went to automatic fire. I've seen no indication that he ever "went to automatic fire." It could be that the selector was moved inadvertently. K. You need to watch the link closely. The instructor seems to change the control for the shot rate. In the following link you hear him say "full auto" and hear a clear burst of fire. SRD..... Nothing wrong with the thread title, even if it upsets your sensebilities. It was a gun death, it was pointless. No more and no less.

BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:03:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. I disagree with the title, however. Yes, it's pointless, but it's not really about guns, any more than we would say "another pointless car death" when some moron parent allows his 10-year-old to take the 911 for a spin. It's really "another pointless death due to gross stupidity and narcissistic parents." It happened to be with a gun, but the attitudes exhibited here are the problem. You don't give a 5-year-old a sushi knife, either. Where car death are the biggest conern "another pointless car death" would be the news' title for such a case. By the way I hope it's illegal in the us allowing a 10 year old to drive a car. Not on private property. Gun deaths are your biggest concern, deaths are ours.

quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten The title should read Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy..... The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either.... Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all... [8\|] Or the dozen or so kids who have died this summer because their idiot parents left them in hot cars and went drinking. One of the local Casinos gave people 100 dollars in free slot play, when they showed that they dropped their kids off at a daycare before coming to play because the previous summer they had over 20 kids locked in a hot car so mommy and daddy could gamble...

PeonForHer -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:05:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. Why single out an event in the USA here, particularly, PS? There are lots of other countries that have customs that you and I would find primitive, repulsive and downright alien. I mean, in Syria, for instance, young children on all sides of the war are regularly trained in how to shoot to kill with AK47s. Why should Americans be held to a higher standard?

subrosaDom -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:08:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued. The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife. The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy. This isn't a gun story. It's a stupidity and parental failure and business failure story resulting in tragedy. Just as parents who as someone else mentioned leaving their kids in a hot car (assuming no ill intent) is stupidity or immaturity, not a car story.

Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:08:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten The title should read Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy..... The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either.... Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all... [8\|] You dopey fuck. Who am I trying to garner sympathy from, certainly no one on here and certainly not you. If you dont like the story dont fucking read it.

Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:10:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is tragic that someone has needlessly died in an accident. What the hell are grown ups doing let a nine year old fire an Uzi, under any circumstances. Families of those involved will have to try and live with the consequences. How the young girl will ever cope with such an awful memory is beyond me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946 Edited for spelling error in title and to fix link. Why single out an event in the USA here, particularly, PS? There are lots of other countries that have customs that you and I would find primitive, repulsive and downright alien. I mean, in Syria, for instance, young children on all sides of the war are regularly trained in how to shoot to kill with AK47s. Why should Americans be held to a higher standard? Fuck knows Peon, what was I thinking by posting a story about a nine year old and an Uzi. I should have got something more newsworthy. [;)]

quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/27/2014 5:11:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten The title should read Another pointless attempt to prove guns are bad mkay by using the death of a child to garner sympathy..... The kid shouldnt have been using an Uzi no gun owner would disagree with this, the 40 thousand (estimation) other children that died today because of parental neglect shouldnt have died either.... Why only post the gun death? Why not post the car crash because of a drunk driver I went to bbc news and see 6 stories on us gun deaths.... Nope, theres no bias there at all... [8\|] You dopey fuck. Who am I trying to garner sympathy from, certainly no one on here and certainly not you. If you dont like the story dont fucking read it. Your posting about a child killing someone with a gun because ... blah blah blah blah... Meanwhile else where in the world children have been shot raped tortured turned in to child solders and other atrocities, however you ONLY post a story about a GUN... Why? because your stance has been clear... Guns are bad mmmmmmmKay? Why the fuck does a moron from the UK care about gun stories in the US? Why does BBC News have 6 stories about US gun deaths and NO stories about deaths that have happened on UK soil today?

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