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AQRMZ -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:25:55 PM)

FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT FAMILER WITH THE BRIT ISLAND.

Rotherham is a large town in South Yorkshire, England, which together with its surrounding settlements form the Metropolitan Borough of Rotherham, with an estimated population of 257,800 in 2011. Historically within the West Riding of Yorkshire, it lies on the River Don, at its confluence with the River Rother,

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100284274/rotherham-child-abuse-the-liberal-left-is-circling-the-wagons-over-the-race-question/

It’s happening again. It is happening in front of our eyes. The denial. The deflection. The deceit.

All of the toxic impulses that contrived to allow the systematic abuse of thousands of children in Rotherham are again being redeployed in the face of the damning, incontrovertible evidence of the nature and scale of that abuse. Hear that sound? That low rumble? It is the sound of liberal wagons again being circled.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON
http://online.wsj.com/articles/calls-for-resignation-grow-after-u-k-report-on-sex-abuse-in-rotherham-1409177623


SO P53 GO AHEAD AND START A THREAD ABOUT IT. WE WILL MAKE UNINFORMED COMMENTS JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND DO.

HEY GO FOR IT.

AND BTW WHAT DOES RACEISM HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?







Politesub53 -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:26:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
NOT "this." Rather:

Wherever there is a plentiful supply of swimming pools within each reach, there are going to be "accidents" or "one-off-drownings" or "chances in a million." It is inevitable, as near as it comes to a statistical certainty.

All the rights of people to have swimming pools in their backyards are not worth a single precious breath of a child. There is something seriously wrong with a society that teaches 9-year-olds how to swim. And I mean seriously wrong.

FYI: In the US, out of 6 million pools, there are about 550 children under the age of 10 who drown each year. 1 out of 11,000
175 children under 10 die from a gunshot. This is out of 200 million guns. 1 out of more than 1,000,000
Source: Freakonomics.

Facts are stubborn things.



More stubborn facts. http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-toll-gun-violence-children




Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:31:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Savile: 1 guy. Perhaps a couple of other sick compatriots. Utterly different than an entire culture based on Islamic belief with hundreds of perpetrators. Whether Savile was Anglican, atheist, Buddhist, I have no idea. It isn't why he was a pedophile. Pedophilia, honor killings, etc. -- these are all part and parcel of Islamic "culture," with clitoridectomies thrown in for good measure. When you have gangs of Muslims terrorizing, it is precisely PC that prevents their apprehension. Fact is that Savile -- or for that matter Sandusky in the US -- were protected not because of political correctness but because of social status. Just as wrong in my book, but not the result of a horrible religion that condones rape, misogyny, and hatred of gays.




You are so ill informed that its laughable.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:33:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AQRMZ
...contrived to allow the systematic abuse of thousands of children in Rotherham are again being redeployed in the face of the damning, incontrovertible evidence of the nature and scale of that abuse.

Thousands?? really??
Last I heard on the news about 15 minutes ago, it was about 1,400 - not 'thousands'. [:D]
And it was perpetrated over many years.
Talk about spin!!! [8|]

And more stubborn facts (from Polite's link) -
On the other hand... "Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year."

Would you like to comment on the disparity??




BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:37:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AQRMZ
...contrived to allow the systematic abuse of thousands of children in Rotherham are again being redeployed in the face of the damning, incontrovertible evidence of the nature and scale of that abuse.

Thousands?? really??
Last I heard on the news about 15 minutes ago, it was about 1,400 - not 'thousands'. [:D]
And it was perpetrated over many years.
Talk about spin!!! [8|]

And more stubborn facts (from Polite's link) -
On the other hand... "Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year."

Would you like to comment on the disparity??


Oh well if they only know about 1400 underage girls sold as sex slaves with those magnificent cops of yours looking the other way it's no problem. By all means return to telling the Americans how much better you are.




thompsonx -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:39:29 PM)


ORIGINAL: AQRMZ

Yes, but every body is going off on the law.

Heck I taught my oldest how to shoot the Colt .45 when he was about 6.


Maybe that sort of moronic bullshit goes down well with your buds at the chairborn rangers club but some of us have actually had a govt mdl in our hands. All I can say is that your little bubba may have been big for his age[8|]




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:41:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Oh well if they only know about 1400 underage girls sold as sex slaves with those magnificent cops of yours looking the other way it's no problem. By all means return to telling the Americans how much better you are.

And that's why it is being investigated by an independent body.

See Polite's earlier posts.




Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:44:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AQRMZ


AND BTW WHAT DOES RACEISM HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?



Ask Rich, he bought the topic up, no one else.

As for the telegraph, its just a right wing rag. I vote conservative and even i wont read it.

Regards starting a thread, when a mod tells me its not off topic, instead of a sock, I will gladly do so. That said, I just know you will be spouting ill informed comments, you always do.




AQRMZ -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:45:02 PM)


to the other brit butthead, it is in your news azzwhole, look at the url and read it if you can read engliasch over ther.

DAMMM

I am starting to write stuff as nattastie as the jumpin fule from MI or Mich or wherever his prawnslop is.

Gotta stop that shit.




quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:46:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AQRMZ
...contrived to allow the systematic abuse of thousands of children in Rotherham are again being redeployed in the face of the damning, incontrovertible evidence of the nature and scale of that abuse.

Thousands?? really??
Last I heard on the news about 15 minutes ago, it was about 1,400 - not 'thousands'. [:D]
And it was perpetrated over many years.
Talk about spin!!! [8|]

And more stubborn facts (from Polite's link) -
On the other hand... "Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year."

Would you like to comment on the disparity??




Yeah READ further

In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.


The more important thing is at 18 kids arent children any more in america they are adults... so that throws the numbers completely out of the water because your including people who arent kids

No one has said gun deaths dont happen, just that other deaths are more prevalent and no ones whining about those....




PeonForHer -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:47:41 PM)


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Oh well if they only know about 1400 underage girls sold as sex slaves with those magnificent cops of yours looking the other way it's no problem. By all means return to telling the Americans how much better you are.


Jesus, Bama. If you never learn anything else from a non-American - please, please learn this: Americans *do not get* to play the 'oppressed' card any more. Re Brits, particularly, it's now centuries out of date. It's seriously beyond pathetic.




thompsonx -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:50:41 PM)

ORIGINAL: AQRMZ


Simple, Because we know what is right/works and what is wrong/fucksup and we make the informed adult choice to avoid fucking up.



Once we had seen a fair share of airplane crashes it was pretty obvious they were fuckinup.


It is hell to get called on the carpet by folks like you.

Then stop saying stupid shit.[8|]






quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:51:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

Oh well if they only know about 1400 underage girls sold as sex slaves with those magnificent cops of yours looking the other way it's no problem. By all means return to telling the Americans how much better you are.


Jesus, Bama. If you never learn anything else from a non-American - please, please learn this: Americans *do not get* to play the 'oppressed' card any more. Re Brits, particularly, it's now centuries out of date. It's seriously beyond pathetic.



So you europeans havent been spouting bullshit that we should be more civilized and more like the uk and europe and if we dont agree we are barbaric and push for the death of wee children...


Because that right there is opression you know what opression means right?

Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.[1] It can also be defined as an act or instance of oppressing, the state of being oppressed, and the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions or people, and anxiety.




PeonForHer -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:51:23 PM)

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Ask Rich, he bought the topic up, no one else.


Weird, isn't it? We Brits being accused of bringing up the Rotherham Paedo scandal here? Well, I guess people will read through this thread - or not - and see what they want to see.




PeonForHer -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:55:34 PM)

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So you europeans havent been spouting bullshit that we should be more civilized and more like the uk and europe and if we dont agree we are barbaric and push for the death of wee children...


Because that right there is opression you know what opression means right?

Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.[1] It can also be defined as an act or instance of oppressing, the state of being oppressed, and the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions or people, and anxiety.


You appear to be angry about something, QK, but I'm unable to discern what this is. Could you rephrase this?




quizzicalkitten -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:56:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

Ask Rich, he bought the topic up, no one else.


Weird, isn't it? We Brits being accused of bringing up the Rotherham Paedo scandal here? Well, I guess people will read through this thread - or not - and see what they want to see.



I guess this is an example of reading comprehension in action, great schools ya got there peon...

No your accused of worrying more about us across the pond then the own tragedies happening in your back yard because us gun toting ebil doers are more important then your children being sold as sex slaves...

But please do continue to tell us how we need to regulate our guns while your children are subjected to torture and horror... America is much more important then that...




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:56:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
Yeah READ further

In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.


The more important thing is at 18 kids arent children any more in america they are adults... so that throws the numbers completely out of the water because your including people who arent kids

No one has said gun deaths dont happen, just that other deaths are more prevalent and no ones whining about those....

And read even further.... "All are unnecessary hospitalizations because preventing gun violence is something that can actually be done."
-and-
"Webster also compared the U.S.’ standing with other high income nations and pointed out that the mortality rate from firearms in the U.S. is nearly 10 times higher than the rates in other wealthy nations. “This is a very unique and abnormal problem that such a wealthy nation should have such high mortality and morbidity in youth related to firearms,” he said.";
and further... "After the devastating tragedy at Sandy Hook in December 2012, the gun policy debate intensified, coinciding with the rising number of children killed by guns in the U.S. every year. In the first 14 school days of 2014, there have been at least 7 school shootings: at Wakefield Elementary School in Calif., Berrendo Middle School in New Mexico, Liberty Technology High School in Tenn., Albany High School in Georgia, Delaware Valley Charter School in Penn., Widener University in Penn., and most recently, Purdue University in Indiana. In 2013, there were 28 school shootings.

The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth."
"

I'd say that was fairly significant.
Slice the cake any way you like, that's a whole lot more than anywhere else in the world and all down to the liberal gun policy that the US have.



quote:

ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
But please do continue to tell us how we need to regulate our guns while your children are subjected to torture and horror... America is much more important then that...

Ah!! I get it... I think.

You think that we feel it's more important for the US to stop killing/injuring thousands every year, year after year, with guns than our own bunch of kids who are misfortunate enough to get raped etc and managed to stay under the radar for a while??
Well... one is no more important than the other.
But the thing is... we're addressing the issue and getting to the bottom of it. Heads will roll if necessary.

What are you lot doing about your regular gun deaths??
I don't see anything happening at all - it just gets worse.
And, I'm willing to bet there are also US kids caught in the same situation as some of ours were - we just didn't spoit the stats for it as a comparison.




Politesub53 -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 4:57:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Yeah READ further

In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.


The more important thing is at 18 kids arent children any more in america they are adults... so that throws the numbers completely out of the water because your including people who arent kids

No one has said gun deaths dont happen, just that other deaths are more prevalent and no ones whining about those....


The 6.3% you quote are just the numbers for those hospitalised. I would think you need to include the 3,000 dead kids that didnt even get taken to hospital.

I get your point about over 18s though.




BamaD -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 5:00:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AQRMZ
...contrived to allow the systematic abuse of thousands of children in Rotherham are again being redeployed in the face of the damning, incontrovertible evidence of the nature and scale of that abuse.

Thousands?? really??
Last I heard on the news about 15 minutes ago, it was about 1,400 - not 'thousands'. [:D]
And it was perpetrated over many years.
Talk about spin!!! [8|]

And more stubborn facts (from Polite's link) -
On the other hand... "Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year."

Would you like to comment on the disparity??


Yes, over 84% are over 15, not children.
And at the end of the study he admits that he decided on the outcome and then gathered stats in the hopes that the unthinking would accept his study as being unbiased.




thompsonx -> RE: Another pointless gun death. (8/28/2014 5:01:11 PM)


ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

If you never learn anything else from a non-American - please, please learn this: Americans *do not get* to play the 'oppressed' card any more. Re Brits, particularly, it's now centuries out of date. It's seriously beyond pathetic....



Ohhhh....hell no. I can't just recall off the top of my head when the last time we yanks did the rape pillage and plunder shit to london or take a torch to the palace like ya'll did to washington/the swamp (what really took me by surprise was how ya'll got it lit and then managed to keep it going. I hate that phoquing town....but I digress...) I am not saying it was without cause but fair is fair....you owe me big time so until I get to play with my tonka toys in your sand box g.b. is on my shit list[;)]




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