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NorthernGent -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 12:19:00 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Lucy,
This just isn't true at all.
UKIP are to all intents and purposes a conservative party. The only difference being that they have placed giving the European Union a swerve at the top of their agenda.
Like it or not, most people in this country agree with them. If there was a referendum tomorrow what do you think the outcome would be? I'd say at the very least 75% would vote to come out of it.
The problem in this country is that people are so wedded to dualistic politics, Labour or Conservative, in many cases out of tradition as opposed to what they have to say; that there simply is no room for an alternative.
Regardless, on the Europe issue they have the backing of most of the country.
UKIP are nothing like the National Front. The National Front are an extreme party that have pretty much no support in England; UKIP resonate with English people on many issues, particularly Europe.
hiyas NG, that may well be true,
I said it was my opinion...and from what I have heard / read I have a dim view of them
The EU has been an issue since it started also. you should see some of my family stamping about the power limitations on the vaccum cleaner issue(yes honestly my knowledge IS deeper than just that.Im using it as an example)
I have a very poor view of ALLLLL political parties. And the politicians
It will NOT surprise me if they win, because like in the US AND Canada, people are sick of the "parties" they have. And with good reason.
Hello Lucy,
They certainly do have a few cranks in the party, usually disaffected Tory back benchers who were conceived from an altogether different age; but the majority speak for most of England.
They will not 'win' because this country moves into the future with luggage from the past very much in tow, which means Labour and Conservative will continue to dominate the political landscape for the foreseeable future.
But, where they undoubtedly will 'win' is on the Europe issue because it is absolutely nothing like what was sold to the British people in the 1970s. It was supposed to be a common market dominated by free trade which appealed to the English due to our history and political beliefs, but it has become a political union with unelected representatives which certainly does not resonate with our history and traditions.
I mean, we fought wars in Europe to prevent one nation dominating European politics and to promote liberal politics (democracy, free trade, tolerance), so there is absolutely no chance this country can accept what we have today: a German dominated political union with unelected representatives and a complete lack of respect for democracy.
The only reason we haven't had a referendum is because they know there will only be one outcome and that is to leave the European Union. As per usual, British politicians are attempting to strike a balance where we have a good relationship with Europe and a good relationship with the US, but it's not working because we don't have a good relationship with Europe: never have done and never will because they don't see life as we do and they largely remain wedded to centralised politics which is unEnglish.
Put bluntly, 50 years post WW2 simply can't change the way Europeans say politics and life and it's a vision with which we will never agree upon. They will always have centralising tendencies and we don't, so it's marriage of convenience (or stupidity depending upon point of view) which is heading for divorce.
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