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crazyml -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 8:44:19 AM)

If you're actually interested, can I recommend that you read the report?

In response to an almighty and hideous fuck up, my country was civilised enough to establish a formal enquiry, with a mandate to look at all the factors and to make recommendations.

This process of taking on challenges like this, examining them in a formal and transparent way and then taking action is something we do a fair bit. And while I am ashamed that these events occurred, I am very proud to live in the kind of democracy where trulying independent inquiries can take place.

I do look forward to the day that other leading nations will be abe to follow our example.



MercTech -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:14:22 AM)

Meh, most just prefer not to notice how dangerous the world is.

http://www.polarisproject.org/resources/hotline-statistics/human-trafficking-trends-in-the-united-states

http://www.unicefusa.org/mission/protect/trafficking




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:16:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml
I do look forward to the day that other leading nations will be abe to follow our example.

Ah... but they won't ever do that.

Why??
Because they have laws and statutes in place that prevent their government from interfering with personal rights and liberties. So they see that sort of stuff as infringements, not useful (and impartial) investigations.

They might learn one day.... maybe. But don't hold your breath, you might suffocate in the waiting.



BitYakin -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:41:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Meh, most just prefer not to notice how dangerous the world is.

http://www.polarisproject.org/resources/hotline-statistics/human-trafficking-trends-in-the-united-states

http://www.unicefusa.org/mission/protect/trafficking




on the other hand maybe we DO, and that's why we want to keep our guns...



Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:52:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

If you're actually interested, can I recommend that you read the report...

I read the report. That's how I know it doesn't say that the girls "found a form of love." Maybe you should try reading this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

I do look forward to the day that other leading nations will be abe to follow our example.

Oh yeah, here we go. The same old "More Civilized than Thou" theme that we've come to know and love. Choke on it.

K.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:54:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Meh, most just prefer not to notice how dangerous the world is.

http://www.polarisproject.org/resources/hotline-statistics/human-trafficking-trends-in-the-united-states

http://www.unicefusa.org/mission/protect/trafficking




on the other hand maybe we DO, and that's why we want to keep our guns...

And if you had any real sense, you wouldn't have them.
The stats prove every pro-gun nut to be wrong.
Pride before a fall and all that. lol.



Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 9:58:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Because they have laws and statutes in place that prevent their government from interfering with personal rights and liberties.

And you don't. Good luck with that.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

they see that sort of stuff as infringements, not useful (and impartial) investigations.

Now you're making shit up.

K.



Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 10:02:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

on the other hand maybe we DO, and that's why we want to keep our guns...

Oh please, guns have nothing to do with this topic.

K.







Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 10:09:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

"snip"
Now you're making shit up.

K.
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And so are you by calling PS a sick motherfucker



BitYakin -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 10:17:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech

Meh, most just prefer not to notice how dangerous the world is.

http://www.polarisproject.org/resources/hotline-statistics/human-trafficking-trends-in-the-united-states

http://www.unicefusa.org/mission/protect/trafficking




on the other hand maybe we DO, and that's why we want to keep our guns...

And if you had any real sense, you wouldn't have them.
The stats prove every pro-gun nut to be wrong.
Pride before a fall and all that. lol.



what the STATS PROVE, is that guns to gun death ratio is a TINY TINY TINY percentage. 100,000,000 guns to 30,000 deaths, what is that, like .03%?

also according to a site that tracks gun deaths aprox. 60% of all gun deaths are suicides, sooo the percentage is much lower still, unless you think people who commit suicide would NOT COMMIT suicide if there wasn't a GUN available....


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html


Update, June 19, 2013: As time goes on, our count gets further and further away from the likely actual number of gun deaths in America—because roughly 60 percent of deaths by gun are due to suicides, which are very rarely reported


PS. this same site reports the number of gun deaths for the one year period following sandy hook as 12,042 NOT 30,000



BitYakin -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 10:23:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

on the other hand maybe we DO, and that's why we want to keep our guns...

Oh please, guns have nothing to do with this topic.

K.







no, but it has to do with a response to SCAREY WORLD

he claims maybe we just don't realize how violent and scary the world is, I countered with MAYBE we do and its why we like our guns so much

but after the last post I made showing him the stats he says prove HIS point I will refrain from posting anything else about it



Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 10:32:20 AM)


quote:

Cameron faces Ukip by-election bloodbath: Party set to win first Commons seat after shock poll reveals Farage's staggering 44-point lead over the Tories

Ukip set to win first Commons seat with a landslide 64 per cent of the vote
Douglas Carswell is set to win Clacton by-election sparked by his defection
Figures predict a record 48 point swing towards Ukip, humiliating the Tories

...Half or more agreed with the statements that Mr Cameron is ‘too keen’ on staying in the EU; refuses to ‘shake up the Westminster clique’; has lost control of the UK’s borders; should cut both spending and tax; and should bring in new laws to make it easier for voters to sack MPs in between general elections.


"Polite" sub should be happy at this news, that his fellow conservatives are set for a resounding upsurge. [;)]



Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:11:35 AM)

you didnt read his post about there not being a party to vote for on
page two, post 22????
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4726133
UKIP are like voting for the natiional front, or the KKK or the teaparty. imnsho



Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:19:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you didnt read his post about there not being a party to vote for on
page two, post 22????
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4726133
UKIP are like voting for the natiional front, or the KKK or the teaparty. imnsho



No, I don't read all of his posts. He obsesses over me, as you do, not vise-versa.

And according to the polling, they're right in the middle (which makes you and he the extremists).








crazyml -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:31:14 AM)

I don't know why you persist in pretending to have read the report. If you had read the report you would have seen that several of the victims were in love with their abusers.

It is there, plain and simple. At the risk of repeating myself, no-one is asserting that the form of love they found themselves in was good or healthy, or that it offers one scintilla of excuse to the abusers. But it has been patiently pointed out to you several times. It is also with reminding you that the remarks you're misunderstanding were not made in the context of all of the victims, they were made in the context of grooming.

As for your whine about my snarky comment about the fact that the UK, well that just made me hoot with laughter.

You are the one proposing to exploit the suffering of these young women in order to try to make a point about how civilised the UK is. I can't stop you choosing to cynically exploit their abuse, but I was doing you a favour by pointing out that rather than demonstrating a lack of civilisation, the report shows how a civilised society responds when terrible things happen. So any attempt to take comfort from the suffering of these girls will simply make you look stupid as well as despicable.

Bless your heart, if you're as clever as you pretend to be, I am really comfy that whatever forum gymnastics you engage in to try to excuse first your ignorance and second your willingness to exploit the victims of child abuse, you know the truth of the matter, and that does give me a little hope.




Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:35:33 AM)

you made the post about him...who is obsessing?
and as I dont live in the UK anymore, its neither here nor there
I admit, im left of left...never denied it, shitty conservatism changed me.
I learned my lesson early on in life....conservative politics for the ordinary joe is a slow death and libertarian conservatism is worse



Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:39:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you made the post about him...who is obsessing?
and as I dont live in the UK anymore, its neither here nor there
I admit, im left of left...never denied it, shitty conservatism changed me.
I learned my lesson early on in life....conservative politics for the ordinary joe is a slow death and libertarian conservatism is worse



One post does not an obsession make [;)]



NorthernGent -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:40:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you didnt read his post about there not being a party to vote for on
page two, post 22????
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4726133
UKIP are like voting for the natiional front, or the KKK or the teaparty. imnsho



Lucy,

This just isn't true at all.

UKIP are to all intents and purposes a conservative party. The only difference being that they have placed giving the European Union a swerve at the top of their agenda.

Like it or not, most people in this country agree with them. If there was a referendum tomorrow what do you think the outcome would be? I'd say at the very least 75% would vote to come out of it.

The problem in this country is that people are so wedded to dualistic politics, Labour or Conservative, in many cases out of tradition as opposed to what they have to say; that there simply is no room for an alternative.

Regardless, on the Europe issue they have the backing of most of the country.

UKIP are nothing like the National Front. The National Front are an extreme party that have pretty much no support in England; UKIP resonate with English people on many issues, particularly Europe.



Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:43:30 AM)


Wow, some honesty.

Welcome back NG

(Never thought I would write that).



Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/31/2014 11:49:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

If you're actually interested, can I recommend that you read the report...

I read the report. That's how I know it doesn't say that the girls "found a form of love." Maybe you should try reading this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

I do look forward to the day that other leading nations will be abe to follow our example.

Oh yeah, here we go. The same old "More Civilized than Thou" theme that we've come to know and love. Choke on it.

K.




Now you are just out and out fucking lying.

From the report. “I know he really loves me … (about a perpetrator convicted of very serious offences against other children)”

If I give you the benefit of the doubt, which I am loathe to do, and agree you did read the report, then you sure as fuck didnt understand it. The bolded words in this post are to be found in the section of the report kindly posted by Lucy.



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