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Politesub53 -> Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 4:45:34 PM)
If the mods agree I will happily kick off this thread.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 4:46:43 PM)
Mods? I haven't seen any evidence of mods 'round here in a long while. Go for it!

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 4:51:18 PM)
I have contacted the mods and will post more if allowed.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 5:18:25 PM)
FR Oh god, I can hardly bear to watch how this thread is going to shape up. PS, why did you start this thread? For god's sake, you could at least have provided some links to online atlases in your OP.

Moderator3 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 5:49:58 PM)
I am sorry, but I was very ill and in the hospital for a time, so I wasn't around, but I am here now. I am reviewing the link now. I will let you know as soon as I have gone through it.

Moderator3 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 6:04:32 PM)
All right. Here is how I have evaluated this. Though this link has video of a woman when she was a minor, it is a reputable news source and news. Therefore, I am allowing the OP to post the link. I will ask that everyone please watch how you phrase things and try not to get into topic areas that encourage or enjoy this type of activity. Please do not post any other pictures or links to videos with minors in them unless I can review them first. Edit to add: Please don't let this move into other threads. Gee, how do I phrase all this? lol Politesub, thank you for asking about this!

TheHeretic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 6:57:23 PM)
I don't see a link, so I'll go ahead and add one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059138/Rotherham-In-the-face-of-such-evil-who-is-the-racist-now.html quote: One thousand four hundred. Consider the weight of that number, feel its tragic heft. Picture 50 junior-school classes of little girls in Rotherham, once a respectable northern town, now a byword for depravity. We have seen child-grooming cases before, but the disgusting stories revealed in the report by Professor Alexis Jay amount to evidence of abuse on an industrial scale. Men of Pakistani heritage treated white girls like toilet paper. They picked children up from schools and care homes and trafficked them across northern cities for other men to join in the fun. They doused a 15-year-old in petrol and threatened to set her alight should she dare to report them. They menaced entire families and made young girls watch as they raped other children. ... Front-line youth workers who submitted reports in 2002, 2003 and 2006 expressing their alarm at the scale of the child sex-offending say the town hall told them to keep quiet about the ethnicity of the perpetrators in the interests of “community cohesion”. Fear of appearing racist trumped fears of more children being abused. Community cohesion... I'm going to go get a drink or three, and we'll see how hard I need to vent my disgust with people who love to go around yelling racist at the drop of a hat.

TheHeretic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 6:59:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator3 Please don't let this move into other threads. I don't think that is going to work out, 3.

Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/28/2014 10:44:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator3 Please don't let this move into other threads. I don't think that is going to work out, 3. No matter, the point has been made. In America kids die in firearms accidents. In the UK they keep them alive to rape, so as not to offend. Such humanity is awe inspiring. Clearly we have a long way to go before we'll be anywhere near as civilized. K.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 2:34:41 AM)
Right I am going to put my hand up and try and make a sensible post about this.... Here's the latest from the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28974336 I am shocked and disgusted at what has been going on in Rotherham for years now, it's almost impossible to imagine the pain and suffering that has been caused to so many vulnerable children over this time. I am deeply ashamed that this has happened in my country I am also deeply concerned that at the moment all that appears to be happening in response is calls for various people to lose their jobs. If it can be proven that any police in West Yorkshire knew what was going on and failed to act, then they should go to prison for as long as the people who perpetrated these appalling crimes. The same thing should happen to anyone in the social services and Rotherham council who is found to be complicit. But I already get the feeling that people are already covering their backs and have no idea how the investigation is going to run and what it is going to find. Another troubling aspect of this story is the apparent predominance of Asian/ Pakistani men involved. Not all were Asian, we will hopefully find out more as the investigations continue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612 We like to think we live in a country that is happily multicultural and broadly tolerant towards other races and religions, and in the most part I think we are. This dreadful situation could set that back a long way, generations maybe. I hate to think what the people of Rotherham are thinking now when they see a gang of Asian men, or the people of Oxford who had a similar if smaller scale problem recently. Muslim leaders in Rotherham have already condemned these atrocities and I am sure every right thinking Muslim, which by the way is damn near all of them, is just as disgusted by what has happened as everyone else. Something needs to change, crimes like this, on this scale should never ever be allowed again. Maybe the police need to grow a pair, maybe Asian/Muslim communities need to stand up and be less insular, probably both. If heads don't roll over this then I fear for this country

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 2:44:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I don't see a link, so I'll go ahead and add one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059138/Rotherham-In-the-face-of-such-evil-who-is-the-racist-now.html quote: One thousand four hundred. Consider the weight of that number, feel its tragic heft. Picture 50 junior-school classes of little girls in Rotherham, once a respectable northern town, now a byword for depravity. We have seen child-grooming cases before, but the disgusting stories revealed in the report by Professor Alexis Jay amount to evidence of abuse on an industrial scale. Men of Pakistani heritage treated white girls like toilet paper. They picked children up from schools and care homes and trafficked them across northern cities for other men to join in the fun. They doused a 15-year-old in petrol and threatened to set her alight should she dare to report them. They menaced entire families and made young girls watch as they raped other children. ... Front-line youth workers who submitted reports in 2002, 2003 and 2006 expressing their alarm at the scale of the child sex-offending say the town hall told them to keep quiet about the ethnicity of the perpetrators in the interests of “community cohesion”. Fear of appearing racist trumped fears of more children being abused. Community cohesion... I'm going to go get a drink or three, and we'll see how hard I need to vent my disgust with people who love to go around yelling racist at the drop of a hat. The link I sent Three. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28973589 Thanks Rich. I hadnt posted any link as I hadnt had a reply and it was 1.am my time. On a side note, get as many drinks as you wish. I only ever claim a post is racist when I think it is. Others disagree with my views but thats just tough. I wont get into any arguments about the use of the word, due to Threes request.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 3:00:54 AM)
Pixies fist link is the actual report. I havent had time to go through it all but will do so later. I tend to feel how he does on the Issue, despite this going back many years, it gets do easier to read about. Most of the ringleaders from Rotherham were jailed back in 2010 but all involved need to be found and prosecuted. Someone mentioned Jimmy Saville on another thread I called hm on his ignorance of the issue. Many big names have now been jailed and/or faced a court of law for systemic abuse which has been classed as "historic abuse". My view on these scum is as follows, historic only means they started long ago, it clearly doesnt mean, it was ages ago and I have now stopped. As with most so called civillisations, child abuse is neither new, nor restricted to one race of victims or perpertrators. Indeed, normally child abuse victims fall prey to someone within the family circle, or are groomed by someone in close contact with them.

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 3:25:43 AM)
The time line was the first I read, I had mentioned before about a documentary of this sex abuse by gangs (in 2013), that was the result of a 2010 programme from a Channel 4 documentary called Dispatches. you can find it on youtube. It was roundly ignored by various now " outraged" posters. It was horrible then, it is horrible now, but the actual documentary shows how hard a time of it the social services/ police and others had actually getting the men to court. A lot of it due to money not being available, to cover the case numbers, the burnout, and yes, incompetent staff. Let alone the poor kids that suffered. that were threatened continually by these gangs of men. This is obviously going to cause ripples upon ripples in the community, as it should.

tweakabelle -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 3:40:20 AM)
From a very quick reading of some of the media on this horror story, I get the impression that the main problems arose because of poor leadership, appalling judgement and decision making, and general incompetence by the relevant authorities. It seems clear that, had the authorities responded differently and effectively when the problem was first identified, then much of the suffering could have been avoided, the guilty parties thrown into prison for (hopefully) long periods and a much better outcome all round.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 3:58:07 AM)
quote: It seems clear that, had the authorities responded differently and effectively when the problem was first identified, then much of the suffering could have been avoided, That, at least, is clear. I'd be pretty hesitant about seeking out commonalities between the celebrity paedophile cases and those of the organised gangs in Rotherham, but two things do seem to emerge: firstly, the people concerned were 'protected' by a wall of 'don't touch - this will lead to trouble' and secondly, the authorities wanted a quiet life. There's a level of pure gutlessness involved, I think.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 7:22:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: It seems clear that, had the authorities responded differently and effectively when the problem was first identified, then much of the suffering could have been avoided, That, at least, is clear. I'd be pretty hesitant about seeking out commonalities between the celebrity paedophile cases and those of the organised gangs in Rotherham, but two things do seem to emerge: firstly, the people concerned were 'protected' by a wall of 'don't touch - this will lead to trouble' and secondly, the authorities wanted a quiet life. There's a level of pure gutlessness involved, I think. Gutless, sure. But how much of that gutlessness came from being aware...as one of the guilty noted while defending and excoriating himself at the same time...that to go after the Pakistanis and Asians responsible would have outraged certain segments of the population and within government and cries of "racism" would have been howled and leveled? And in the case of the guilty parties, hidden behind.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 9:13:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: It seems clear that, had the authorities responded differently and effectively when the problem was first identified, then much of the suffering could have been avoided, That, at least, is clear. I'd be pretty hesitant about seeking out commonalities between the celebrity paedophile cases and those of the organised gangs in Rotherham, but two things do seem to emerge: firstly, the people concerned were 'protected' by a wall of 'don't touch - this will lead to trouble' and secondly, the authorities wanted a quiet life. There's a level of pure gutlessness involved, I think. Gutless, sure. But how much of that gutlessness came from being aware...as one of the guilty noted while defending and excoriating himself at the same time...that to go after the Pakistanis and Asians responsible would have outraged certain segments of the population and within government and cries of "racism" would have been howled and leveled? And in the case of the guilty parties, hidden behind. Well put, and I think it's much nearer the truth than most would admit. All too often we see the race card being used to defend certain actions. I think half the problem is the fact that immigrants coming to this country (and many others) do not truly embrace the western way of living or the inherent personal/community/national values that most of us hold as an essential way of living within our society. Religious aspects aside (because we usually embrace other religions), there are simple but fundamental aspects of cultural difference that can never be fully reconciled. Some examples - Muslims are able (and usually have) more than one legal wife. Our marriage laws don't allow that. Muslims and several other religions treat women as possessions. Our equality laws don't allow that. Muslim judicial process (Sharia law) is completely alien to the way our judicial system works. Legal age for brides and/or sex in Muslim society is anathema to our western way of thinking. Multi-culturism is all well and good IF those immigrants respect the laws and culture of the western society that they have chosen to live in. Unfortunately, a good proportion of them want to live their own way of life and cherry-pick the good bits from our western society that they gain advantage from that isn't available in their country of origin. As much as we try to accommodate most of their religion and culture, there has to come a point where the line is firmly drawn and should not be moved. Things such as underage sex/marriage, Sharia laws, multiple wives, honour killings, etc, are just not in any way acceptable behaviour in our culture. It is apparent that a lot of the perpetrators in the Rotherham case(s) are of Pakistani (and probably Muslim) origins is quite clear and unfortunately for the majority of English people (not necessarily white), they are scared of a Muslim uprising bleating racism or laws against their religion and it's practices. I think immigrants should declare some sort of oath to respect our laws, customs, and culture, on penalty of being instantly deported to their country of origin (or their parent's origin) regardless of whether it is safe or not. As far as I'm concerned, if they can't respect our country and it's citizens, they have NO rights to be here at all. South Yorkshire police have been caught out on a number of wrong-doings and cover-ups and those responsible should be processed to the full extent of the law. The Rotherham fiasco is but one of many from recent decades - shamefully. But... at least it is finally being sorted - we hope!!

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 11:43:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata No matter, the point has been made. In America kids die in firearms accidents. In the UK they keep them alive to rape, so as not to offend. Such humanity is awe inspiring. Clearly we have a long way to go before we'll be anywhere near as civilized. K. [/font][/size] Proving yet again how much of a prick you are. Do you really think child sex abuse doesnt take place in the US ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 11:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The time line was the first I read, I had mentioned before about a documentary of this sex abuse by gangs (in 2013), that was the result of a 2010 programme from a Channel 4 documentary called Dispatches. you can find it on youtube. It was roundly ignored by various now " outraged" posters. It was horrible then, it is horrible now, but the actual documentary shows how hard a time of it the social services/ police and others had actually getting the men to court. A lot of it due to money not being available, to cover the case numbers, the burnout, and yes, incompetent staff. Let alone the poor kids that suffered. that were threatened continually by these gangs of men. This is obviously going to cause ripples upon ripples in the community, as it should. Lucy has touched on some of the reasons for the systemic failure to protect children. Lets bear in mind that the report covers the peroid 1993-2014. So while still disturbing, the overall figure isnt as alarmist as it seems. The report states on page 91 11.2 that race played no part in the failure to investigate. As Lucy states it was more a cut back in funds and a high caseload. Other causes were a fialure of those higher up in social services and the police to take the girls seriously. it is known that one of the highest officers on Rotherham council was a cousin of one of the main perpertrators. As with most crimes fear and intimidation of witnesses, and a failure to realise they had been groomed, also played a part. the South Yorkshire Police failed to take matters seriously, since many of the girls were known to them and therefore not considered as worthy of investigation. Any and all recommendations need to be implemented ASAP and all cases not fully investigated should be looked into again.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/29/2014 11:59:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: It seems clear that, had the authorities responded differently and effectively when the problem was first identified, then much of the suffering could have been avoided, That, at least, is clear. I'd be pretty hesitant about seeking out commonalities between the celebrity paedophile cases and those of the organised gangs in Rotherham, but two things do seem to emerge: firstly, the people concerned were 'protected' by a wall of 'don't touch - this will lead to trouble' and secondly, the authorities wanted a quiet life. There's a level of pure gutlessness involved, I think. Indeed. Those at the top hate anyone rocking the boat. It has always been thus.

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