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ORIGINAL: joether

Sounds like a gun fantasy. We only have one witness who states all those events happened so perfectly. It could have happened and it may not have happened. You are taking the point that...."It had to have happened....cus....". An I'm pointing out that there is no evidence in that article of those two men. What did they look like? How tall were they? Were they overweight? How did she know they wanted to abduct her? Why would two guys be walking around her neighborhood with a baseball bat intent on doing harm on someone?

But of course, do 'fly off the handle' and assume a HUGE amount of things with very little if any evidence or facts. Like how if she didn't have a gun, should would have been (insert fear here). Your assuming material that isn't even in the article. Where was the gun on her person? How close where they to her, when the exchange took place? Did they walk within a few feet masquerading as one thing, but surprised her? Or call out from thirty feet away "hey, we're going to (insert fear here)"?

I'm not surprised all the gun nuts on here are quick to defend her story, without an ounce of question. That's not defending, that's being a fanatic to the cause! Throwing out reality for the gun fantasy.

What if she made it up? Wouldn't be the first time someone faked a police report to push a political agenda.....

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

The figure is not misleading at all - it is actual gun deaths.
It doesn't cherry-pick what type of death. A death is a death, whether suicide, homicide or accident.
I'm not talking just homicides/murders but total guns deaths!!

Despite all its firearms, the United States ranks only 43rd in suicides, behind Norway, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Denmark and France, all of which have much stricter guns laws, with Australia slipping in at 44th by a hair. ~Source

Hanging was the predominant method of suicide in most countries included in the analysis (Table 1). The highest proportions were around 90% in men and 80% in women, as observed in eastern Europe... As might be expected, firearm suicide was the most common method in the United States... Poisoning with drugs was common in women from Canada, the Nordic countries and the United Kingdom. ~Source

The problem with suicide, Kirata, is that Depression (to which a person dies from) is an invisible illness. Unlike cancer and other horrible illnesses, Depression is not easily found except by a careful examination of the individual. Such examinations, to arrive at a proper diagnosis (to aid in a good recovery), unfortunately take time. It takes trial and error to find the right therapist and/or drugs. Even though the recovery time can be measured in months, years and even decades. The real trouble with Depression is that its very misunderstood on just about all aspects concerning it. Even those suffering from it may not realize the effects for what they are, nor the symptoms. Some people (particularly older people) are very scared to admit they might have a problem, and try to either hide it or self-medicate (both with disastrous results).

How does this relate to what your posting here?

That 'death by accident' could very well be someone that was very Depressed. Again, there are no outwardly signs. Either you have it, live with someone that has it, or a well trained medical/mental health professional, to detect it. Does this mean that any, most or all are simply suicides? That's hard to truly know. I would like to think the number of Depression suffers that die and listed as 'accidental death' is low. What is it truly? I have no idea.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: joether
Depression (to which a person dies from) is an invisible illness... not easily found except by a careful examination

You're just making shit up. Depression is anything but "invisible." The diagnosis depends on manifestly visible signs that anyone can observe, including the affected persons themselves. It's true that Depression can be masked by other symptoms, or creep up on someone in a way that isn't recognized. But even in those cases, other people can usually see that something's wrong.