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DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (8/31/2014 6:41:18 PM)
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The number of cases of Voter Fraud in America 2010 to 2014.
The full total is 31 credible events out of one billion votes cast since 2000.
31 cases of voter fraud by voter impersonation. That number isn't a sum total of all voter fraud, and the article even points it out.
But it is the only sort that voter ID laws can stop. So why are Republicans so worked up about it?
Because it will stop Democratic voters from voting perhaps?
Are Democrat voters somehow incapable of getting ID's?
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"And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/
One reason there's not more voter fraud is because the fraudulent applications are found before election day.
That's how the system is supposed to work.
A registrar has to turn in every completed registration forms, even ones he knows are fraudulent. Think about it. Do you really want some non government official deciding to not turn in completed voter registration forms? Of course not. So the law requires that all completed forms get turned in.
Then the election board processes them, verifies the information and sends out the voter cards. It's a good system that's worked for decades.
But the intent here almost certainly wasn't to cast votes illegally. It was to get paid. Registrars get paid per registration so less honest ones simply fill out the forms themselves and then turn in big stacks and hope no one notices. Could people actually vote based on those registrations? No. The election board would have to screw up and actually send out a voter card based on the bogus information and the postal service would then need to deliver it to an address, despite explicit instructions on the post card, that doesn't match that on the card. Then who ever received the card would have to risk a prison sentence to use the card to vote for no personal gain.
The problem is, Ken, that IS the way it's supposed to work, but only when it's followed. Ohio SoS Jennifer Brunner acknowledged that 200k registrations were filed in Ohio that were suspect, but that there wasn't enough time to go back and verify the registrations before the November vote, so those registrants were allowed to vote. Not only that, but the start of early voting overlapped the end of the registration period, so people could register and vote on an absentee ballot the same day. There is no way to know how many fraudulent votes were cast in the 2008 general election because the absentee ballots were counted without verification of the suspect registrations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Brunner#2008_general_election
Apparently, there are people who are willing to break the rules (from both parties) to have their person win an election.
But, someone proving they are who they are by picture ID is ridiculous. [8|]
There is a way to know. Did you read the entire entry on the issue? The same day registrations were subject to the standard verification procedures.
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The same-day registration ballots are subject to the standard Ohio notification card protocol whereby a postcard is sent to the newly registered address to assist in determining the validity of the address. A card that comes back marked return to sender is questioned and marked on the voter rolls.[151] Additionally, the boards of elections submit new voter registrations into a database in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State. The information is matched with driver's licenses on an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database and failing a match there it is sent to the Social Security Administration to pursue a match.[151]
Were any fraudlent votes cast?
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