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DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 9:16:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: joether
The number of cases of Voter Fraud in America 2010 to 2014.
The full total is 31 credible events out of one billion votes cast since 2000.

31 out of a billion or so ..... that's clearly an out-of-control epidemic demanding an immediate legislative response that will ensure that only those most likely to vote properly will be able to exercise their voting rights, and restrict voting rights among minority groups who no doubt are greatly over represented in those 31 cases.


Says the woman who lives in an area where there is no right to choose to vote or not without threat of penalty... [8|]




Gauge -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 10:54:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.

Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.



Any idea if those registrations were flagged as provisional until they could be verified? I know that I had a problem once where something got screwed up because I was changing addresses and I went to vote. My ballot was flagged as provisional pending verification.

Just a question, not a trap or argument.




DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 12:05:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.
Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.

Any idea if those registrations were flagged as provisional until they could be verified? I know that I had a problem once where something got screwed up because I was changing addresses and I went to vote. My ballot was flagged as provisional pending verification.
Just a question, not a trap or argument.


The inconsistencies were with DL#'s and SSN's not matching Federal and State databases. Since many of the suspect registrants had already filled out absentee ballots, SoS Brunner decided not to recheck the suspect registrations due to lack of time (it was just a couple weeks prior to the election).

I'm going to go with a "probably not."

According to the Wiki, you could register with a cell phone bill and last 4 digits of your SSN, and then vote absentee. The phone bill registration is not something I recall from 6 years ago, so I have no idea if that's true or not. Plus, the citation for the sentence on the Wiki is no longer a live link, making it that much murkier.

A bit o' digging (altered formatting for easier reading and to highlight pertinent portions):

Ohio Voter Registration and Information Update Form
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    Eligibility

    You are qualified to register to vote in Ohio if you meet all the following requirements:
      1. You are a citizen of the United States.
      2. You will be at least 18 years old on or before the day of the general election.
      3. You will be a resident of Ohio for at least 30 days immediately before the election in which you want to vote.
      4. You are not incarcerated (in jail or in prison) for a felony conviction.
      5. You have not been declared incompetent for voting purposes by a probate court.
      6. You have not been permanently disenfranchised for violations of election laws.


    Use this form to register to vote or to update your current Ohio registration if you have changed your address or name.
    NOTICE: This form must be received or postmarked by the 30th day before an election at which you intend to vote. You will be notified by your county board of elections of the location where you vote. If you do not receive a notice following timely submission of this form, please contact your county board of elections.

    Numbers 1 and 2 below are required by law. You must answer both of the questions for your registration to be processed.

    Registering in Person

    If you have a current valid Ohio driver’s license, you must provide that number on line 10. If you do not have an Ohio driver’s license, you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security number on line 10. If you have neither, please write “None.”

    Registering by Mail

    If you register by mail and do not provide either an Ohio driver’s license number or the last four digits of your Social Security number, you must enclose with your application a copy of one of the following forms of identification:
      Current and valid photo identification, a military identification, or a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address.


    Residency Requirements

    Your voting residence is the location that you consider to be a permanent, not a temporary, residence. Your voting residence is the place in which your habitation is fixed and to which, whenever you are absent, you intend to return. If you do not have a fixed place of habitation, but you are a consistent or regular inhabitant of a shelter or other location to which you intend to return, you may use that shelter or other location as your residence for purposes of registering to vote. If you have questions about your specific residency circumstances, you may contact your local board of elections for further information.

    Your Signature

    In the area below the arrow in Box 14, please write your cursive, hand-written signature or make your legal mark, taking care that it does not touch the surrounding lines so when it is digitally imaged by your county board of elections it can effectively be used to identify your signature.

    Please see information on back of this form to learn how to obtain an absentee ballot.

    WHOEVER COMMITS ELECTION FALSIFICATION IS GUILTY OF A FELONY OF THE FIFTH DEGREE.


Apparently, a "current" (w/i the last 12 months) utility bill is enough to register to vote. The last 4 digits of the SSN aren't even necessary when registering by mail. Sheesh.

Makes me wonder if we've had an honest election in the past couple decades.




DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 4:41:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There is a way to know. Did you read the entire entry on the issue? The same day registrations were subject to the standard verification procedures.
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The same-day registration ballots are subject to the standard Ohio notification card protocol whereby a postcard is sent to the newly registered address to assist in determining the validity of the address. A card that comes back marked return to sender is questioned and marked on the voter rolls.[151] Additionally, the boards of elections submit new voter registrations into a database in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State. The information is matched with driver's licenses on an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database and failing a match there it is sent to the Social Security Administration to pursue a match.[151]

Were any fraudlent votes cast?

No way to know if there were any fraudulent votes cast, Ken. The registrations that were suspect were never verified. That was the fucking point!
There is a system in place, but it wasn't followed.

It says right there that the registrations were verified. Why are you claiming they weren't?


The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.

Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.


It says they were. Do you have a source that says otherwise?




DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 5:10:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There is a way to know. Did you read the entire entry on the issue? The same day registrations were subject to the standard verification procedures.
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The same-day registration ballots are subject to the standard Ohio notification card protocol whereby a postcard is sent to the newly registered address to assist in determining the validity of the address. A card that comes back marked return to sender is questioned and marked on the voter rolls.[151] Additionally, the boards of elections submit new voter registrations into a database in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State. The information is matched with driver's licenses on an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database and failing a match there it is sent to the Social Security Administration to pursue a match.[151]

Were any fraudlent votes cast?

No way to know if there were any fraudulent votes cast, Ken. The registrations that were suspect were never verified. That was the fucking point!
There is a system in place, but it wasn't followed.

It says right there that the registrations were verified. Why are you claiming they weren't?

The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.
Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.

It says they were. Do you have a source that says otherwise?


Nowhere does it say they were verified, Ken. Read again. When 200k come up with either SSN or DL# mismatches, how do you think they came up with the idea that they weren't matched? Um, that would be the initial verification process, no? But, the ones that came back flagged weren't rechecked.




joether -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 7:32:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
The number of cases of Voter Fraud in America 2010 to 2014.
The full total is 31 credible events out of one billion votes cast since 2000.

31 cases of voter fraud by voter impersonation. That number isn't a sum total of all voter fraud, and the article even points it out.

But it is the only sort that voter ID laws can stop. So why are Republicans so worked up about it?
Because it will stop Democratic voters from voting perhaps?


Are Democrat voters somehow incapable of getting ID's?


I don't have to show my ID; its called the 4th amendment! The government or other people have to...ACCUSE...me of not being who I say I am and/or not living where I state I live. They have to come up with the...BURDEN OF EVIDENCE....because I'm considered...INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILITY. And where would I be proven innocent or guilty? In a court of law....NOT....the election booth. The only way the government could check "...my papers..." under the 4th is if they had "...probable cause..." of wrong doing.

I have to drive to the voting booth, DS. That would imply, if I'm following the laws, to have a driver's license. So any police officer with an average intelligence and training would deduce that I could prove my identity.

But why should I?

And that brings up to the central aspect of government between you and me. You totally distrust government, so government must totally distrust you. I like my government. It has its ups and downs, but I give it a fair amount of trust. Therefore, I would expect a fair amount of trust in return. Maybe you might try placing some faith in your fellow US Citizens; you might be pleasantly surprised by the results.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage
"And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/
One reason there's not more voter fraud is because the fraudulent applications are found before election day.

That's how the system is supposed to work.
A registrar has to turn in every completed registration forms, even ones he knows are fraudulent. Think about it. Do you really want some non government official deciding to not turn in completed voter registration forms? Of course not. So the law requires that all completed forms get turned in.
Then the election board processes them, verifies the information and sends out the voter cards. It's a good system that's worked for decades.
But the intent here almost certainly wasn't to cast votes illegally. It was to get paid. Registrars get paid per registration so less honest ones simply fill out the forms themselves and then turn in big stacks and hope no one notices. Could people actually vote based on those registrations? No. The election board would have to screw up and actually send out a voter card based on the bogus information and the postal service would then need to deliver it to an address, despite explicit instructions on the post card, that doesn't match that on the card. Then who ever received the card would have to risk a prison sentence to use the card to vote for no personal gain.


The problem is, Ken, that IS the way it's supposed to work, but only when it's followed. Ohio SoS Jennifer Brunner acknowledged that 200k registrations were filed in Ohio that were suspect, but that there wasn't enough time to go back and verify the registrations before the November vote, so those registrants were allowed to vote. Not only that, but the start of early voting overlapped the end of the registration period, so people could register and vote on an absentee ballot the same day. There is no way to know how many fraudulent votes were cast in the 2008 general election because the absentee ballots were counted without verification of the suspect registrations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Brunner#2008_general_election

Apparently, there are people who are willing to break the rules (from both parties) to have their person win an election.

But, someone proving they are who they are by picture ID is ridiculous. [8|]


This will come as a surprise to you. Even after the election, people will recheck the votes to make sure everything has been followed in the proper way. There have been cases in which one person won on election night, but the following day(s) the other guy was the winner. How did that happen, DS? I guess you have never seen one of the most famous election photos in US History:

[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg[/image]

The issue of Jennifer Brunner came when certain items on their own, were quite sane and correct. When combined, created problems. Problems that where not foreseen before hand. Added that the election was between McCain and Obama. The matter was decided under Colvin vs. Brunner. The court decided two things. The issue is a political problem and not the court's, AND, that the laws will have to be decided upon after the election. So your "...200K suspected ballots...." is just conservative voter fraud bullshit.




joether -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 7:41:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There is a way to know. Did you read the entire entry on the issue? The same day registrations were subject to the standard verification procedures.
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The same-day registration ballots are subject to the standard Ohio notification card protocol whereby a postcard is sent to the newly registered address to assist in determining the validity of the address. A card that comes back marked return to sender is questioned and marked on the voter rolls.[151] Additionally, the boards of elections submit new voter registrations into a database in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State. The information is matched with driver's licenses on an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database and failing a match there it is sent to the Social Security Administration to pursue a match.[151]

Were any fraudlent votes cast?

No way to know if there were any fraudulent votes cast, Ken. The registrations that were suspect were never verified. That was the fucking point!
There is a system in place, but it wasn't followed.

It says right there that the registrations were verified. Why are you claiming they weren't?

The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.
Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.

It says they were. Do you have a source that says otherwise?


Nowhere does it say they were verified, Ken. Read again. When 200k come up with either SSN or DL# mismatches, how do you think they came up with the idea that they weren't matched? Um, that would be the initial verification process, no? But, the ones that came back flagged weren't rechecked.


Try following the logic here, DS.....

You say there are 200K suspected ballots. You would have us believe that no one in the State of Ohio in the government and/or law enforcement could not track down any of these people? Even though the grand majority of the ballots gave the information for addresses to be checked. And this all happened six years ago.....

Yeah, you better produce some solid evidence there.....

There is reality, and then there is what your trying to shovel. If 200K ballot were still an issue, six years later, wouldn't it make sense to question why this issue has not been studied and the findings released?




DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/1/2014 8:17:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There is a way to know. Did you read the entire entry on the issue? The same day registrations were subject to the standard verification procedures.
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The same-day registration ballots are subject to the standard Ohio notification card protocol whereby a postcard is sent to the newly registered address to assist in determining the validity of the address. A card that comes back marked return to sender is questioned and marked on the voter rolls.[151] Additionally, the boards of elections submit new voter registrations into a database in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State. The information is matched with driver's licenses on an Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database and failing a match there it is sent to the Social Security Administration to pursue a match.[151]

Were any fraudlent votes cast?

No way to know if there were any fraudulent votes cast, Ken. The registrations that were suspect were never verified. That was the fucking point!
There is a system in place, but it wasn't followed.

It says right there that the registrations were verified. Why are you claiming they weren't?

The were never rechecked, Ken. That's the standard check. When 200k registrations came up with mismatched data, there was no re-check. SoS claimed that there wasn't enough time to recheck all those questioned registrations, and that doing so would take the system down.
Thus, we don't know how many fraudulent votes there were because the registrations were never verified.

It says they were. Do you have a source that says otherwise?


Nowhere does it say they were verified, Ken. Read again. When 200k come up with either SSN or DL# mismatches, how do you think they came up with the idea that they weren't matched? Um, that would be the initial verification process, no? But, the ones that came back flagged weren't rechecked.


Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?

Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?




tweakabelle -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 1:27:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: joether
The number of cases of Voter Fraud in America 2010 to 2014.
The full total is 31 credible events out of one billion votes cast since 2000.

31 out of a billion or so ..... that's clearly an out-of-control epidemic demanding an immediate legislative response that will ensure that only those most likely to vote properly will be able to exercise their voting rights, and restrict voting rights among minority groups who no doubt are greatly over represented in those 31 cases.


Says the woman who lives in an area where there is no right to choose to vote or not without threat of penalty... [8|]


Sorry DS but I am unable to see how referring to the compulsory voting system in Australia is relevant to the point I was making about the non-compulsory voting system in the USA.

I can only guess that your post was designed to evade having to respond directly to the point I made in my post, which suggests that you don't have a response to the point I made.




DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 3:01:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joether
I don't have to show my ID; its called the 4th amendment! The government or other people have to...ACCUSE...me of not being who I say I am and/or not living where I state I live. They have to come up with the...BURDEN OF EVIDENCE....because I'm considered...INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILITY. And where would I be proven innocent or guilty? In a court of law....NOT....the election booth. The only way the government could check "...my papers..." under the 4th is if they had "...probable cause..." of wrong doing.
I have to drive to the voting booth, DS. That would imply, if I'm following the laws, to have a driver's license. So any police officer with an average intelligence and training would deduce that I could prove my identity.
But why should I?


You may not have known this little factoid, but not everyone drives, but they still get around. Do only people who have DL's vote in your area? Do the cops in your polling station watch everyone drive in so they know?

The 4th amendment states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Now, some might think that having to show ID to vote is a "reasonable" search. Are you going to take the same tack if you're pulled over at a drunk driving checkpoint? I bet you wouldn't/haven't.

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And that brings up to the central aspect of government between you and me. You totally distrust government, so government must totally distrust you. I like my government. It has its ups and downs, but I give it a fair amount of trust. Therefore, I would expect a fair amount of trust in return. Maybe you might try placing some faith in your fellow US Citizens; you might be pleasantly surprised by the results.


I have faith that my fellow US Citizens can figure out how to get an ID. Apparently, you lack that faith. I'm shown time and time again that a large number of my fellow US Citizens don't take the time to research the issues before they vote, too (note the lack of party mention, as it's not limited to any particular party).

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This will come as a surprise to you. Even after the election, people will recheck the votes to make sure everything has been followed in the proper way. There have been cases in which one person won on election night, but the following day(s) the other guy was the winner. How did that happen, DS? I guess you have never seen one of the most famous election photos in US History:
[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg[/image]
The issue of Jennifer Brunner came when certain items on their own, were quite sane and correct. When combined, created problems. Problems that where not foreseen before hand. Added that the election was between McCain and Obama. The matter was decided under Colvin vs. Brunner. The court decided two things. The issue is a political problem and not the court's, AND, that the laws will have to be decided upon after the election. So your "...200K suspected ballots...." is just conservative voter fraud bullshit.


http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/jennifer_brunner_says_courts_d.html

Nope, just more "Joether says it's bullshit" bullshit.




DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 3:03:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?


Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.






DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 3:07:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Sorry DS but I am unable to see how referring to the compulsory voting system in Australia is relevant to the point I was making about the non-compulsory voting system in the USA.


Apology accepted. [8D]

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I can only guess that your post was designed to evade having to respond directly to the point I made in my post, which suggests that you don't have a response to the point I made.


The freedom to vote also assumes the freedom to not vote, if one so chooses. Thus, compulsory voting isn't really the freedom to vote.

The right to vote isn't given to everyone in America. It's only given to US Citizens. How shall we know who is, and who isn't a US Citizen?




tweakabelle -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 3:35:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Sorry DS but I am unable to see how referring to the compulsory voting system in Australia is relevant to the point I was making about the non-compulsory voting system in the USA.


Apology accepted. [8D]

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I can only guess that your post was designed to evade having to respond directly to the point I made in my post, which suggests that you don't have a response to the point I made.


The freedom to vote also assumes the freedom to not vote, if one so chooses. Thus, compulsory voting isn't really the freedom to vote.

The right to vote isn't given to everyone in America. It's only given to US Citizens. How shall we know who is, and who isn't a US Citizen?


It's odd that someone so consistently and vehemently opposed to increased government intrusion and regulation is suddenly in favour of it. Even odder when one takes into account that there isn't a problem that needs solving in this instance.

It does make sense to me if I assume that the goal of the exercise is to shore up the ever shrinking Right wing vote by disenfranchising minority groups perceived to be likely Dem voters. This strategy has delivered the goods in the past -- especially in FL in 2000 where widespread disenfranchising of black voters was the diference in getting Bush the Dumber to squeak over the line.

Your position reeks to the high heavens of political expediency

ETA: Just an FYI but there are several ways of getting around the electoral laws here if one chooses not to vote. One is to spoil your ballot paper so that your vote doesn't get counted. The easiest is not to register to vote in the first place,




DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 9:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?


Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.




CreativeDominant -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 11:31:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?


Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.
Really? So, if I give the address of my workplace...a valid address...that proves I live here?




DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 11:44:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?


Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.
Really? So, if I give the address of my workplace...a valid address...that proves I live here?


Once a card that the post office is ordered to not forward is delivered it does. Try reading the whole post for a change.




cloudboy -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 2:03:41 PM)

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How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican?


YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism.




BamaD -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 2:53:43 PM)

Yeah, you better produce some solid evidence there.....


An ultimatum without consequences is mere posturing.




BamaD -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 3:28:28 PM)

I don't have to show my ID; its called the 4th amendment!

You do realize that they can't be sure that only legal voters get to vote without checking the voter ID cards don't you?
It only keeps you from voting if you aren't a registered voter.
Guess you must figure that the unregistered voters will vote your way so let them in.




CreativeDominant -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 4:00:19 PM)


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Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?


Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.
Really? So, if I give the address of my workplace...a valid address...that proves I live here?


Once a card that the post office is ordered to not forward is delivered it does. Try reading the whole post for a change.
I did read it, all-knowing Ken. And oddly enough, I get all my mail here while living elsewhere.




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