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DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 4:18:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Yes it does. Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned? Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that? Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid. You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid. Really? So, if I give the address of my workplace...a valid address...that proves I live here? Once a card that the post office is ordered to not forward is delivered it does. Try reading the whole post for a change. I did read it, all-knowing Ken. And oddly enough, I get all my mail here while living elsewhere. Is your name on the box?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 6:09:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Sorry DS but I am unable to see how referring to the compulsory voting system in Australia is relevant to the point I was making about the non-compulsory voting system in the USA. Apology accepted. [8D] quote: I can only guess that your post was designed to evade having to respond directly to the point I made in my post, which suggests that you don't have a response to the point I made. The freedom to vote also assumes the freedom to not vote, if one so chooses. Thus, compulsory voting isn't really the freedom to vote. The right to vote isn't given to everyone in America. It's only given to US Citizens. How shall we know who is, and who isn't a US Citizen? It's odd that someone so consistently and vehemently opposed to increased government intrusion and regulation is suddenly in favour of it. Even odder when one takes into account that there isn't a problem that needs solving in this instance. It does make sense to me if I assume that the goal of the exercise is to shore up the ever shrinking Right wing vote by disenfranchising minority groups perceived to be likely Dem voters. This strategy has delivered the goods in the past -- especially in FL in 2000 where widespread disenfranchising of black voters was the diference in getting Bush the Dumber to squeak over the line. And, once again, you assume wrong. But, do go on... quote: Your position reeks to the high heavens of political expediency ETA: Just an FYI but there are several ways of getting around the electoral laws here if one chooses not to vote. One is to spoil your ballot paper so that your vote doesn't get counted. The easiest is not to register to vote in the first place, You see, though, what you're not getting, is that government does provide a service. They are there to protect our rights. They are there to make sure that every citizen who wants to vote gets to vote. How do we know a person is a citizen?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 6:11:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Yes it does. Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned? Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that? Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid. You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid. You're incredibly obtuse, Ken. If I put my neighbor's address down, is it a valid address? It sure as fuck is. Is it mine? Nope. Will it be delivered? It sure will. I'm sure there were instances of typo's in those 200k registrations. I'd bet on it. I'd also bet there weren't typos in those registrations, too. But, we'll never know.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 6:14:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican? YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism. NC doesn't have any document requirements, but TX has strict photo ID requirements already. Maybe that's why they aren't backing measures in TX? Crazy, huh?

DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/2/2014 8:08:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Yes it does. Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned? Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that? Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid. You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid. You're incredibly obtuse, Ken. If I put my neighbor's address down, is it a valid address? It sure as fuck is. Is it mine? Nope. Will it be delivered? It sure will. If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

thishereboi -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 5:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I have faith that my fellow US Citizens can figure out how to get an ID. Apparently, you lack that faith. Apparently DK thinks the same way but according to them only if you are a democrat. If you are a republican you can get id with no problem. That is why they keep screaming that requiring id is a ploy designed to stop democrats from voting. When asked why they think it's so much harder to get an id if you are on the left they either change the subject or just ignore the question. Perhaps one day they will come up with an explanation but I am not going to hold my breath. Perhaps their dear leaders at the DNC will stop begging for money long enough to feed them an excuse so they don't have to sound so pathetic when they come here to repeat the days talking points.

thishereboi -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 5:59:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican? YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism. I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can.

hot4bondage -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 6:34:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can. Maybe they expect the government to do it for them? [sm=biggrin.gif]

DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 9:47:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican? YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism. I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can. It's been explained to you several times. Why are you pretending it hasn't?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 1:38:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 1:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants. You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all. If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system.

thishereboi -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 5:39:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can. Maybe they expect the government to do it for them? [sm=biggrin.gif] Well if they are getting assistance and don't have id, the government does help them. In fact it's one of the requirements of getting help. It's also one of the reasons the whole "poor people" don't have id is bullshit.

thishereboi -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 5:41:29 PM)
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joether -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 5:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican? YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism. NC doesn't have any document requirements, but TX has strict photo ID requirements already. Maybe that's why they aren't backing measures in TX? Crazy, huh? Its ironic that the state the says its the 'free-st' of all (i.e. Texas) has the strictest voting laws. Or that they have a larger problem with firearm issues with those lax firearm regulations, but no problems with voter fraud 'thanks' to the strict voter ID laws. Even though before those laws went into effect, the voter fraud problem was nonexistence.... Can you say 'playing politics' with government resources (aka wasteful spending)?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 6:28:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants. You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all. If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system. My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 6:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Can you say 'playing politics' with government resources (aka wasteful spending)? I sure can.

DomKen -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 6:52:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants. You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all. If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system. My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it? When was the last time you got a voter card? Do try to enter reality occasionally. You might try actually talking to your postman sometime as well.

BamaD -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 6:57:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants. You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all. If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system. My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it? My mailbox doesn't even have numbers and they still deliver.

joether -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 7:21:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether Can you say 'playing politics' with government resources (aka wasteful spending)? I sure can. You seem to be supporting the notion, Mr. I-Want-Limited-Government..... Someone whom ACTUALLY wanted limited government would not support spending tax dollars chasing the political equivalent of the boogey man. The evidence from many studies on the topic show that voter fraud's frequency is so low as to be non-existence towards changing the outcomes of elections.

joether -> RE: 1, 1, 3, 5, 1 (9/3/2014 7:27:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see. You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there? I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants. You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all. If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system. My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it? Its actually PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to place your name and number on the mail box. That helps people that are looking for a friend's house and the mail to get delivered to you quickly. In the old days, it helped emergency services find the right house during a medical crisis.

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