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Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?

Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.

Really? So, if I give the address of my workplace...a valid address...that proves I live here?

Once a card that the post office is ordered to not forward is delivered it does. Try reading the whole post for a change.

I did read it, all-knowing Ken. And oddly enough, I get all my mail here while living elsewhere.

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Sorry DS but I am unable to see how referring to the compulsory voting system in Australia is relevant to the point I was making about the non-compulsory voting system in the USA.

Apology accepted.

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I can only guess that your post was designed to evade having to respond directly to the point I made in my post, which suggests that you don't have a response to the point I made.

The freedom to vote also assumes the freedom to not vote, if one so chooses. Thus, compulsory voting isn't really the freedom to vote.
The right to vote isn't given to everyone in America. It's only given to US Citizens. How shall we know who is, and who isn't a US Citizen?

It's odd that someone so consistently and vehemently opposed to increased government intrusion and regulation is suddenly in favour of it. Even odder when one takes into account that there isn't a problem that needs solving in this instance.
It does make sense to me if I assume that the goal of the exercise is to shore up the ever shrinking Right wing vote by disenfranchising minority groups perceived to be likely Dem voters. This strategy has delivered the goods in the past -- especially in FL in 2000 where widespread disenfranchising of black voters was the diference in getting Bush the Dumber to squeak over the line.

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Your position reeks to the high heavens of political expediency
ETA: Just an FYI but there are several ways of getting around the electoral laws here if one chooses not to vote. One is to spoil your ballot paper so that your vote doesn't get counted. The easiest is not to register to vote in the first place,

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Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?

Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.

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How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican?

YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism.

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Yes it does.
Every registered voter was sent a voter card to verify their address. If it wasn't delivered that would show the vote wasn't legit. How many cards were returned?
Then it says the new voters are verified by the Ohio SoS and DMV and even the SSA. How many failed all of that?

Um, like, 200k or so. That's the "initial" verification process. As long as someone lists a valid address, a postcard is going to be delivered, isn't it? It doesn't have to be that person's address, though. It just has to be valid.

You're simply not being honest. A valid address proves the person lives where he says. Then the other verification proves he's a citizen so what is the problem? There are always going to be minor issues with how names are entered in all those databases so requiring that they all be exactly right is simply stupid.

You're incredibly obtuse, Ken. If I put my neighbor's address down, is it a valid address? It sure as fuck is. Is it mine? Nope. Will it be delivered? It sure will.

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I have faith that my fellow US Citizens can figure out how to get an ID. Apparently, you lack that faith.

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How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican?

YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism.

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I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can.

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How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican?

YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism.

I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can.

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there?

I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

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I said HOW. And since you seem to be so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to explain why the left can't get an id card and the right can.

Maybe they expect the government to do it for them?

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How will it stop Democrats from voting. Do they have some kind of disability that makes it any harder for them to get an id than a republican?

YES, it's why the Republicans are backing the measures in so many states like NC and TX. It's a kind of technocratic Lee-Atwaterism.

NC doesn't have any document requirements, but TX has strict photo ID requirements already. Maybe that's why they aren't backing measures in TX?

Crazy, huh?

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there?
I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all.
If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system.

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Can you say 'playing politics' with government resources (aka wasteful spending)?

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there?
I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all.
If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system.

My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it?

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there?
I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all.
If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system.

My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it?

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Can you say 'playing politics' with government resources (aka wasteful spending)?

I sure can.

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If it is your postman is not doing his job. Those postcards are clearly labeled. However I've been a registrar and I've looked into the system and in reality postmen very rarely deliver mail marked as do not forward to mailboxes without the proper name. Try it yourself and see.

You think the postman checks every piece of mail to see if the name/address match the occupants of the address? Seriously?!? Have you never gotten mail that was addressed to your address, but not for anyone that lived there?
I must have the worst USPS representatives of all time. I'm still getting shit from 3 or 4 previous occupants.

You must. My name got pulled off my box and I stopped getting mail at all.
If you check, mail that is marked do not forward they are supposed to only deliver to mail boxes with the correct name. It is a basic part of the voter registration system.

My name isn't on my mailbox. The County came and replaced my neighbor's mailbox (after they destroyed it with a plow), and all it has on it are the house numbers. So, once again, Ken, you have blathered on about bullshit. All I have to do is pick an address that actually exists. That doesn't mean I live there, does it?