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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

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ORIGINAL: joether

First allow me to greet you to the forum. Second, it might help you to understand...why...I tore into you. Lets just say life has been...unpleasant...on my end for the last few days, and usually I'm more patient. Second, that this forum does see individuals from time to time that try to 'hide' their identity, support their original comments, and try to slink away. This is known as 'sock' or 'sock puppet' on here. Maybe in my....frustration of life....I figured you were such.

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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3
And what uncontroversial science isn't being taught? Catastrophic global warming caused by a human induced runaway greenhouse effect? Disproven. Global temperature anomaly fell outside of the IPCC's own error bars, and has continued to fall further outside of those error bars. That means that theory is disproven. The theory that race is a social construct? That's a rejection of the well established scientific concept of phenotype, and the underlying cause of phenotype, genotype. In other words, anyone who claims that race doesn't exist is a DENIER of science (or in all fairness, is scientifically ignorant, and that isn't really their fault, most people simply don't have the capacity to understand science and it's implications).

And I suppose you can give us links to each of these ideas, right?

The last one, 'race', is a social construct. Where does it exist in your brain, filtering out all you have learned of the world, to treat someone whose skin color is different from yours? Do you treat the opposite or same sex differently? When I see a black person, I see a person. Yes, they are black. They are also short, alittle on the over-weight side, with glasses, short black hair, and missing a finger. Should I treat this individual any differently due to any of these features? In your view, 'yes'. But I do not accept your view. I've known plenty of individuals from all different ethnic and regions of the world whom are really gifted, skilled, and intelligent. You might look at someone and assume a stereotype; I would not. Since I've known many individuals that look dumb as shit, but were very insightful, intelligent, and wise. A person that judges another based on the skin color tells me the person is of low education and intelligence. And that has more to do with their social upbringing than any physical genetics to date.

Thanks. No worries. Flame away. Safeword free zone afterall. Even if it wasn't, I underwent the Vulcan Discipline of Kolinahr long ago, you ain't gonna hurt my feelings. Sorry to hear that, I empathaize. Hope your situation improves.

Well those "ideas" aren't really ideas per say, those are logically consistent statements. Proofs. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof

But yea, I can.
http://www.principia-scientific.org/images/IPCC_1990_Temp_predictions.jpg
http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/IPCC1995_Fail.htm
http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/ <---- Comprehensive
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/05/benchmarking-ipccs-warming-predictions/
http://drtimball.com/2013/report-indicates-ipcc-ignore-facts-and-failed-predictions-to-claim-better-results-2/
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/new-ipcc-report-to-crush-its-own-global-warming-predictions/

The last 3 sources deal with the IPCC's 5th (latest) Assessment Report.

As for your response to my contention that race is a biological fact rather than a social construction, you've constructed quite the straw man. Are you going to beat the fuck out of him? That's the fun part! :p

Seriously though, I didn't make any qualitative analysis, no value judgments whatsoever. I'm simply saying that "black" (brown) skin is a phenotypic characteristic, as is "white" skin. These phenotypic characteristics are caused by an underlying genotype. It's a factual statement. If you really want a source, check the dictionary definitions of phenotype and genotype, and read the works of Gregor Mendel and Francis Crick.

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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Completely agree with you there. That's why I still ask the question, what did this girl do that was a 'white thing'? Shouldn't we, as a civilization, be more worried about doing things that are 'human things'?

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Completely agree with you there. That's why I still ask the question, what did this girl do that was a 'white thing'? Shouldn't we, as a civilization, be more worried about doing things that are 'human things'?

Well said but there's another issue, here, also:

If you "reverse" the races, here a white girl beating up a white girl because she was "acting too black", the aggressive white girl would generally become known as a racist. Yes? There would be people on these boards, jumping up and down, screaming about how the attacker needs to be expelled and pay for her own tutor, etc. Where is that?

As the situation stands now, since the victim is a young girl of color, the event should meet the standards of a "hate" crime. Oh, but it doesn't because the attacker wasn't white. Is anyone really believing that the attacker wasn't racially motivated?

Where is the equality for which so many moan and gnash teeth? Nowhere, mon frère!

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ORIGINAL: maidheather

Completely agree with you there. That's why I still ask the question, what did this girl do that was a 'white thing'? Shouldn't we, as a civilization, be more worried about doing things that are 'human things'?

Well said but there's another issue, here, also:

If you "reverse" the races, here a white girl beating up a white girl because she was "acting too black", the aggressive white girl would generally become known as a racist. Yes? There would be people on these boards, jumping up and down, screaming about how the attacker needs to be expelled and pay for her own tutor, etc. Where is that?

As the situation stands now, since the victim is a young girl of color, the event should meet the standards of a "hate" crime. Oh, but it doesn't because the attacker wasn't white. Is anyone really believing that the attacker wasn't racially motivated?

Where is the equality for which so many moan and gnash teeth? Nowhere, mon frère!







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
www.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

and this:

www.dailycaller.com/2014/09/08/report-no-global-warming-for-215-months

And this:

www.us.wsj.com/articles/Matt-Ridley-whatever-happened-to-global-warming-1409872855

So....none of your links work. However, I recognize the name Matt Ridley is the last link yet another opinion piece by a guy with zero accreditation in the field of climate science?

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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3
What qualifies one as a climatologist? Which climatologists? Define "overwhelmingly". Demonstrate that these alleged climatologists are in fact the most knowledgeable voices on this subject. E.g. Are "climatologists" more knowledgeable on this subject than atmospheric physicists? Have any of these alleged "climatologists" demonstrated scientific competence? I.e. Have they made accurate and reliable predictions based on a falsifiable hypothesis, and/or have they published reproducible experiments validating a falsifiable hypothesis?

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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

@Domken
You mention being smarter than [most of] your peers. How were you smarter than your peers? What do you think might have caused the discrepancy between your intelligence and that of your peers?

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Have none of you heard of the practice called "being black"? It is the intentional refusal to learn or do well in school by otherwise intelligent black children.

It's funny, I volunteer in Chicago schools and deal with gifted black kids every week and I've never yet seen this. They get the same flack I got as a white kid growing up smarter than my peers. What I do see is schools dying without maintenance or new materials. Teachers buying basic classroom materials because they aren't provided by the school administration. Kids having to share 10+ year old textbooks that are falling apart because the school board hasn't approved a new version and the old one is no longer made.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Have none of you heard of the practice called "being black"? It is the intentional refusal to learn or do well in school by otherwise intelligent black children.

It's funny, I volunteer in Chicago schools and deal with gifted black kids every week and I've never yet seen this. They get the same flack I got as a white kid growing up smarter than my peers. What I do see is schools dying without maintenance or new materials. Teachers buying basic classroom materials because they aren't provided by the school administration. Kids having to share 10+ year old textbooks that are falling apart because the school board hasn't approved a new version and the old one is no longer made.

It's funny indeed. Perhaps you should volunteer to work with regular black kids, I dunno, kinda makes sense to me since you have not heard of this term, this reality, while working with kids in Chicago. That is the funny thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/opinion/wright-black-acting-white/index.html

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Have none of you heard of the practice called "being black"? It is the intentional refusal to learn or do well in school by otherwise intelligent black children.

It's funny, I volunteer in Chicago schools and deal with gifted black kids every week and I've never yet seen this. They get the same flack I got as a white kid growing up smarter than my peers. What I do see is schools dying without maintenance or new materials. Teachers buying basic classroom materials because they aren't provided by the school administration. Kids having to share 10+ year old textbooks that are falling apart because the school board hasn't approved a new version and the old one is no longer made.

It's funny indeed. Perhaps you should volunteer to work with regular black kids, I dunno, kinda makes sense to me since you have not heard of this term, this reality, while working with kids in Chicago. That is the funny thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/opinion/wright-black-acting-white/index.html

I think the underlying point is this: Blacks put themselves where they are. I work with blacks who are valuable technical staff because although they grew up in poor areas, Mississippi and Chicago, they decided to ignore those pressures by their own culture to fail. It's so interesting to listen to them speak with perfect English while working but when they run into a fellow black they switch into another language, a different slang filled language. Fortunately for us they blamed no one for where blacks are in the U.S. and moved forward and up themselves. So, don't blame schools or the government or the right wingers but in stead place the responsibility where it correctly is, with the individual and the choices they make as it always is the case in life.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Blacks put themselves where they are.

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ORIGINAL: joether


The last one, 'race', is a social construct. Where does it exist in your brain, filtering out all you have learned of the world, to treat someone whose skin color is different from yours? Do you treat the opposite or same sex differently? When I see a black person, I see a person. Yes, they are black. They are also short, alittle on the over-weight side, with glasses, short black hair, and missing a finger. Should I treat this individual any differently due to any of these features? In your view, 'yes'. But I do not accept your view. I've known plenty of individuals from all different ethnic and regions of the world whom are really gifted, skilled, and intelligent. You might look at someone and assume a stereotype; I would not. Since I've known many individuals that look dumb as shit, but were very insightful, intelligent, and wise. A person that judges another based on the skin color tells me the person is of low education and intelligence. And that has more to do with their social upbringing than any physical genetics to date.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Have none of you heard of the practice called "being black"? It is the intentional refusal to learn or do well in school by otherwise intelligent black children.

It's funny, I volunteer in Chicago schools and deal with gifted black kids every week and I've never yet seen this. They get the same flack I got as a white kid growing up smarter than my peers. What I do see is schools dying without maintenance or new materials. Teachers buying basic classroom materials because they aren't provided by the school administration. Kids having to share 10+ year old textbooks that are falling apart because the school board hasn't approved a new version and the old one is no longer made.

It's funny indeed. Perhaps you should volunteer to work with regular black kids, I dunno, kinda makes sense to me since you have not heard of this term, this reality, while working with kids in Chicago. That is the funny thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/opinion/wright-black-acting-white/index.html

I think the underlying point is this: Blacks put themselves where they are. I work with blacks who are valuable technical staff because although they grew up in poor areas, Mississippi and Chicago, they decided to ignore those pressures by their own culture to fail. It's so interesting to listen to them speak with perfect English while working but when they run into a fellow black they switch into another language, a different slang filled language. Fortunately for us they blamed no one for where blacks are in the U.S. and moved forward and up themselves. So, don't blame schools or the government or the right wingers but in stead place the responsibility where it correctly is, with the individual and the choices they make as it always is the case in life.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

I think the underlying point is this: Blacks put themselves where they are.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Ya know, this "we are all the same" stuff really gets to me.

Why would I treat a black person differently? Well, when I was working on medical imaging equipment and taking an x-ray of a black person (or Native American) I had to turn the kV up by 5 in order to get a good x-ray. Their bones are denser.

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I think the underlying point is that you are the worst kind of bigot.