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Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic misog... - 9/7/2014 8:19:28 AM   
Tantriqu


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Status: offline 		Fascinating, morbid, sad, especially since he had been identified but the witness wouldn't testify
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/Jack-Ripper-unmasked-How-amateur-sleuth-used-DNA-breakthrough-identify-Britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 8:36:49 AM   
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Fascinating!

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 9:45:41 AM   
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Fascinating, morbid, sad, especially since he had been identified but the witness wouldn't testify
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/Jack-Ripper-unmasked-How-amateur-sleuth-used-DNA-breakthrough-identify-Britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html



The ID event comes from Donald Swanson's personal notes, which were private and not intended for public consumption.

He wrote that the suspect (Kosminski) had been identified and he would have hanged except the witness, a fellow Jew, did not want that on his conscience and refused to give evidence in a court of law.

Donald Swanson was the administrative head of the investigation, so if anyone would know it was him as everything went through him.

But, some believe the Swanson Marginalia is a hoax and that the shawl is not that of Catherine Eddowes.

The man who had supposedly uncovered this DNA has a book to sell and so many people aren't convinced.

My opinion is that the murders have the hallmark of an Englishman not a Polish Jew.


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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 1:45:19 PM   
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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 3:40:39 PM   
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Didn't take long!


What can I say?

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 3:53:09 PM   
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My opinion is that the murders have the hallmark of an Englishman not a Polish Jew.



On what basis NG ?

I know there has been much speculation but nothing to point to any particular ethnicity in my view. It is well known that the middle and upper classes trawled the area for prostitutes around the time of the killing, so you might be right. Maybe there was a high level cover-up of some sort ?

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/7/2014 5:09:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The DNA results sound reasonable, and if they can be replicated independently: J the R's identity has been proven far beyond reasonable doubt.

And even if not: imagine how horrifying the behaviour of the hairdresser must have been to have been labelled a misogynist in 19th century England!

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:12:38 PM   
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Here is another run:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/has-jack-the-rippers-identity-really-been-revealed-using-dna-evidence-9717036.html

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:29:21 PM   
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Didn't take long!



Slow down eh.

Apparently this shawl was simply lying near the body of Catherine Eddowes, which is a long shot considering these women were so poor they were lucky to own a spare tea bag let alone a spare shawl.

Also, apparently the shawl was removed by one Amos Simpson, which is a big problem seeing as Amos Simpson wasn't at the scene. The policeman on duty were PC Watkins, who found the body, and PC Harvey who had a beat that ran into one of the passages into Mitre Square. George Morris was an ex PC on night watch and in Kearley and Tongue's tea warehouse.

DC Halse was the first detective on the scene.

But, no Amos Simpson, so how on earth did he get hold of this shawl?

I think you will find that this shawl is not that of Catherine Eddowes.

Also, apparently this shawl contains traces of semen of Kosminski.

When you consider that witness accounts suggest that the killer had 5 minutes to walk her into the square, get into position, lie her down, cut her throat, mutilate her, cut her eye-lids, escape between Watkins' and Harvey's beat which were 10 minutes apart....and also perform some sort of sexual act...it's a tall order.

As said, there's a book to sell here.




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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:32:22 PM   
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The DNA results sound reasonable, and if they can be replicated independently: J the R's identity has been proven far beyond reasonable doubt.

And even if not: imagine how horrifying the behaviour of the hairdresser must have been to have been labelled a misogynist in 19th century England!



You serious? Christ, East London and most English cities were stowed off with lunatics in those days.

The Queen and associates accounted for, and still do, 1% of the English population; and the towns and cities were full of petty criminals, social odd balls and out-and-out lunatics.


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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:34:07 PM   
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My opinion is that the murders have the hallmark of an Englishman not a Polish Jew.



On what basis NG ?

I know there has been much speculation but nothing to point to any particular ethnicity in my view. It is well known that the middle and upper classes trawled the area for prostitutes around the time of the killing, so you might be right. Maybe there was a high level cover-up of some sort ?



No, no cover up.

It'll have been just another fella to the naked eye who quite easily blended in with the surroundings.

Jews don't make good serial killers, but Englishmen do.


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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:39:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, he could have conversing with John Thomas on the way over, perhaps? In only one case would he have had time to shoot the wad right there, and unless it was shot on something that went in the fire, there has never been mention of a 'sexual release' aspect in any of the murders.

I agree, and since these women were hoo-ers, who stood on the street when making the rent with a bloke, and they all lived in the area, its like as not squirt from many progenitors of this guy.

It would surprise me that Jackie Boy would splooge at the scene, even dancing in the guts of one, there was no mention, and I believe he took parts home, to do that at his leisure.

I have the same problem, say I liked doing a Jack the Ripper on a girl, and I wanted to do it again? A small hold up is apparent to even the most casual observer.



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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 1:47:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		And there's a few other problems that have just come to mind.

Amos Simpson, who supposedly picked the shawl up for his wife, wasn't even in the City Police and the body was found in the City district. He was a Met officer with no record of being anywhere near the Eddowes crime scene.

The Met had no jurisdiction in the City area and quite simply a Met officer wouldn't have been there and it is on record that the only polis at the scene were City men.

Also, this shawl has been tested before, and nothing came up.

If you'd paid a handsome sum for this shawl then you might want to recoup your outlay by stretching the truth.

This story is pure smash and grab.

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:00:16 PM   
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Whitechapel is not (or more correctly I suppose (as we will soon say of the Scotsmen) was not, that large, in the East End. But it was densely packed. Those murders (with the exception of Mary Kelly) were committed in less than 5 minutes or so. Not enough time to splooge under great distress (although women may take exception to that)


http://www.casebook.org/victims/mary_jane_kelly.html

If he didnt blow all over this one, there was none other he would have had the opportunity to blow on.

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:07:22 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MciWnfaZQ

Whitechapel is not (or more correctly I suppose (as we will soon say of the Scotsmen) was not, that large, in the East End. But it was densely packed. Those murders (with the exception of Mary Kelly) were committed in less than 5 minutes or so. Not enough time to splooge under great distress (although women may take exception to that)


http://www.casebook.org/victims/mary_jane_kelly.html

If he didnt blow all over this one, there was none other he would have had the opportunity to blow on.



If memory serves, Kelly was in the vicinity and the one on the borders was Stride.

But, yes, Whitechapel had a population of 250,000 in a very small area and many of them were German and Eastern European Jews.

And, the miscreant elements among them tended to be anarchists and socialists who the polis kept a keen eye on. But, they didn't cut you up for a few quid or worse - the local cockneys did that.


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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:08:52 PM   
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My opinion is that the murders have the hallmark of an Englishman not a Polish Jew.



On what basis NG ?

I know there has been much speculation but nothing to point to any particular ethnicity in my view. It is well known that the middle and upper classes trawled the area for prostitutes around the time of the killing, so you might be right. Maybe there was a high level cover-up of some sort ?



No, no cover up.

It'll have been just another fella to the naked eye who quite easily blended in with the surroundings.

Jews don't make good serial killers, but Englishmen do.




So says Peter Sutcliffe, OI?

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

My opinion is that the murders have the hallmark of an Englishman not a Polish Jew.



On what basis NG ?

I know there has been much speculation but nothing to point to any particular ethnicity in my view. It is well known that the middle and upper classes trawled the area for prostitutes around the time of the killing, so you might be right. Maybe there was a high level cover-up of some sort ?



No, no cover up.

It'll have been just another fella to the naked eye who quite easily blended in with the surroundings.

Jews don't make good serial killers, but Englishmen do.




So says Peter Sutcliffe, OI?



As far as I can tell, no recorded English serial killer was of Jewish stock and there's been a few.


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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, one of the most damning things against a Jew, would be :

The Juwes are not the men who will be blamed for nothing. (however that was writ, I keep forgetting).

First of all is sounds cockney, not Polish, and I know how to spell pervert, a jew should know how to spell Jew, and unless English would more than likely have spelled it Jus or Jues, oi? Or even Joos. But Polish would be Zyd.

So, that definitively flushes that rotter for me.

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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:49:11 PM   
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RE: Jack the Ripper identified by DNA: schizophrenic m... - 9/8/2014 2:53:58 PM   
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There you go. Proper serial killers hit their victims of the head with a hammer and dismember them before feeding their eyes to the ducks.

The best Berkowitz could do was go on a shooting spree - not up close and personal.




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