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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


There you go. Proper serial killers hit their victims of the head with a hammer and dismember them before feeding their eyes to the ducks.

The best Berkowitz could do was go on a shooting spree - not up close and personal.

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Holy racial profiling!
Jews don't make misogynists, chronic masturbators or schizophrenic serial killers? Orthodox Jews thank god daily that he is a not a 'gentile, slave or woman', I know lots of Jewish masturbators [oy! pass them the liver], and have read of several Jewish serial killers: Son of Sam David Burkowitz was a ripper with a gun, Baruch Goldenstein killed dozens of praying Muslims, and Louie Bulchalter of Murder Inc.

I too quailed at the thought of something scientific in the Daily Mail, but I saw nothing in the description of the DNA to raise flags. Of course, like the OJ Simpson fiasco, the risk of contamination can seem to overwhelm the amazing odds of it NOT being OJ's DNA. But just imagine their being able to track down relatives of both the victim and the ejaculator over the centuries!
And the point is made of the odds of it NOT being Kosminski. Huge.
Sure, it's a neat story to make it a member of the royal family or a Mason [loved Murder by Decree as a kid], but it's more conspiracy than theory.
This is theory with a great possibility of evidence: far niftier.
SCIENCE!

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


There you go. Proper serial killers hit their victims of the head with a hammer and dismember them before feeding their eyes to the ducks.

The best Berkowitz could do was go on a shooting spree - not up close and personal.

"Proper" serial killers kill people, the method is irrelevant.
And the idea that Jewish people couldn't be serial killers is racism. Jews are people, just like anyone else, and fully capable of the full range of human behaviour.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Holy racial profiling!
Jews don't make misogynists, chronic masturbators or schizophrenic serial killers? Orthodox Jews thank god daily that he is a not a 'gentile, slave or woman', I know lots of Jewish masturbators [oy! pass them the liver], and have read of several Jewish serial killers: Son of Sam David Burkowitz was a ripper with a gun, Baruch Goldenstein killed dozens of praying Muslims, and Louie Bulchalter of Murder Inc.

I too quailed at the thought of something scientific in the Daily Mail, but I saw nothing in the description of the DNA to raise flags. Of course, like the OJ Simpson fiasco, the risk of contamination can seem to overwhelm the amazing odds of it NOT being OJ's DNA. But just imagine their being able to track down relatives of both the victim and the ejaculator over the centuries!
And the point is made of the odds of it NOT being Kosminski. Huge.
Sure, it's a neat story to make it a member of the royal family or a Mason [loved Murder by Decree as a kid], but it's more conspiracy than theory.
This is theory with a great possibility of evidence: far niftier.
SCIENCE!

Excuse me, have you read this thread.

This shawl was supposedly Catherine Eddowes' spare shawl.

Now, consider that these women were dirt poor and were alcoholics. Everything they owned was on their backs and if they had a couple of shilling spare it would have gone on alcohol rather than a spare shawl to carry around.

Amos Simpson, the man who supposedly picked this shawl up for his wife, wasn't even at the scene. He was Met Polis, and the body was found in the City District. The Met had no jurisdiction in City affairs and would not have been at the scene.

This shawl has been tested before and nothing came up.

You can bet your life that this is not the shawl of the murdered woman.

At this juncture, all we have is a claim by an author who is about to sell a book, and none of the known facts support his story.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: s4MC

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


There you go. Proper serial killers hit their victims of the head with a hammer and dismember them before feeding their eyes to the ducks.

The best Berkowitz could do was go on a shooting spree - not up close and personal.

"Proper" serial killers kill people, the method is irrelevant.
And the idea that Jewish people couldn't be serial killers is racism. Jews are people, just like anyone else, and fully capable of the full range of human behaviour.

I didn't say a Jewish person couldn't be a serial killer.

What I said is/was that we have had our fair share of serial killers in this country and none of them have been Jewish. So, whatever happens in any other country, experience tells me that serial killers in England are unanimously not Jewish.

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ORIGINAL: s4MC

It's far from impossible for a cop to be outside their assigned area, for any number of reasons.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Didn't take long!

Slow down eh.

Apparently this shawl was simply lying near the body of Catherine Eddowes, which is a long shot considering these women were so poor they were lucky to own a spare tea bag let alone a spare shawl.

Also, apparently the shawl was removed by one Amos Simpson, which is a big problem seeing as Amos Simpson wasn't at the scene. The policeman on duty were PC Watkins, who found the body, and PC Harvey who had a beat that ran into one of the passages into Mitre Square. George Morris was an ex PC on night watch and in Kearley and Tongue's tea warehouse.

DC Halse was the first detective on the scene.

But, no Amos Simpson, so how on earth did he get hold of this shawl?
According to the article: " Acting Sergeant Amos Simpson, asked his superiors if he could take it home to give to his wife, a dressmaker. " Notice, it does not say that he was the one to find it, or that he was on the scene. The qualifying term "acting" could have a number of possibilities that don't necessarily put him at the scene. Also, as with any tale told and retold for over a hundred years...even in family history...the details of the family's possession can be blurred.

I think you will find that this shawl is not that of Catherine Eddowes

Also, apparently this shawl contains traces of semen of Kosminski.

When you consider that witness accounts suggest that the killer had 5 minutes to walk her into the square, get into position, lie her down, cut her throat, mutilate her, cut her eye-lids, escape between Watkins' and Harvey's beat which were 10 minutes apart....and also perform some sort of sexual act...it's a tall order.
It wouildn't be such a tall order if, as is suggested in the article, the shawl did not belong to Eddowes, and that J the R brought it with him, and left it behind, either through purpose, or in panic such as might have been the case if he heard someone approaching and had to leave in a hurry. If Jack brought it with him, then he had more than ample time at home to have left the semen deposit.

As said, there's a book to sell here.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, one of the most damning things against a Jew, would be :

The Juwes are not the men who will be blamed for nothing. (however that was writ, I keep forgetting).

First of all is sounds cockney, not Polish, and I know how to spell pervert, a jew should know how to spell Jew, and unless English would more than likely have spelled it Jus or Jues, oi? Or even Joos. But Polish would be Zyd.

So, that definitively flushes that rotter for me.

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It actually said, " the Juews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing..." and yes, it sounds very cockney

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: MariaB


It actually said, " the Juews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing..." and yes, it sounds very cockney

Nothing Cockney about that.

If it had been:

"Oi, you facckin' liberty takin' caaants, you Yids ain't gonna be blamed for nothin'"

Should be said that cockneys refer to Jews as Yids (universally).

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

There was anti Jewish graffiti everywhere in Whitechapel during that period.