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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/11/2014 9:35:47 PM   
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There are also options which combine the shiny of handcuffs with more comfort. It's possible to get steel cuffs with a wider surface area: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=820 or even with a little padding: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=674


I think the last one are the best, as a great compromise between metal and leather, but form other hand those with padlock are so glowing..

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/11/2014 10:49:04 PM   
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There are also options which combine the shiny of handcuffs with more comfort. It's possible to get steel cuffs with a wider surface area: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=820 or even with a little padding: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=674


Thanks for the links!

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 4:04:56 AM   
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It's very much a personal preference thing. My guy prefers using leather or a pair of cuffs he fashioned out of two chihuahua-sized dog collars with a carabiner in the middle to connect the two on me. Added bonus for him is that I cannot pinch the clips together to release the dog collar style cuffs and the leather ones have 3 sets of buckles and straps to try to release, so I never have enough time to work them before he catches me. The only time I got out of one was the time it wasn't tightened enough and my wrist just slipped out.

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With metal handcuffs, I end up with bruising because I've got bony wrists that don't respond well to metal bumping against.


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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 4:19:01 AM   
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Rope itself cuts off circulation.


I'm going to have to agree only when used incorrectly as with any other type of restraint that this statement is true.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 4:37:01 AM   
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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 7:53:44 AM   
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Rope itself cuts off circulation.


I'm going to have to agree only when used incorrectly as with any other type of restraint that this statement is true.


I speak of myself and myself alone. He does not like using rope directly on me because of my propensity to bruise easily and the fact that I have wrists with virtually no padding at all, so circulation cuts off easily.

For some people, no matter how careful or correctly you use rope...problems can happen.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 8:16:24 AM   
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There are also options which combine the shiny of handcuffs with more comfort. It's possible to get steel cuffs with a wider surface area: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=820 or even with a little padding: http://spicesforlove.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=674


Thanks for the links!

Now I know what I want for Christmas.

oooooooooooooooh yes, they are nice, yumm
Ive sold a lot of these
https://axovus.com/Leather-Metal-Band-Wrist-Cuffs.html


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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 10:27:31 AM   
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There is something about the sound of cuffs clicking shut that can make ones pink parts tingle. The smell of leather is equally as tingle inducing. Ropes, properly done, can be an episode in visual erotica that is also tingle worthy.
When one knows how to open a pair of handcuffs with a bobby pin,ballpoint pen refill,coffee stirer,soda straw,paper clip or electircal tiewrap, keys become a niceity not a necessity.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 10:42:15 AM   
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Rope itself cuts off circulation.


I'm going to have to agree only when used incorrectly as with any other type of restraint that this statement is true.


I'm going to disagree with that as even the experts run into these problems with rope: https://fetlife.com/groups/47741 Certainly skill goes a long way to mitigate the risk but there simply is intrinsic danger in using rope.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 12:51:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm in full agreement, there is intrinsic danger in most forms of restraint. However, the statement I was addressing implied the use of rope cuts off circulation which isn't entirely true when preventive measures are taken. I followed the link you posted on fl and am not convinced every person posting their experiences on injury using rope is an "expert." I do concede that rope can and does cause injury but maintain some omission of safety is still a major cause.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 12:54:54 PM   
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Even for sex, in bed, I just don't find metal handcuffs comfortable. If you're going to use them, get the double locking ones so they don't accidentally tighten during activity.



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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 1:16:35 PM   
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I'm in full agreement, there is intrinsic danger in most forms of restraint. However, the statement I was addressing implied the use of rope cuts off circulation which isn't entirely true when preventive measures are taken. I followed the link you posted on fl and am not convinced every person posting their experiences on injury using rope is an "expert." I do concede that rope can and does cause injury but maintain some omission of safety is still a major cause.


I think you really should quit thinking that you speak for the masses. Since I know my body better than you, who are you to question the veracity of my statement made in regards to my body?

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 1:18:56 PM   
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I'm in full agreement, there is intrinsic danger in most forms of restraint. However, the statement I was addressing implied the use of rope cuts off circulation which isn't entirely true when preventive measures are taken. I followed the link you posted on fl and am not convinced every person posting their experiences on injury using rope is an "expert." I do concede that rope can and does cause injury but maintain some omission of safety is still a major cause.


I think you really should quit thinking that you speak for the masses. Since I know my body better than you, who are you to question the veracity of my statement made in regards to my body?


That is very similar to what I tell my Doc right before I hand him my medical plan.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/12/2014 3:56:16 PM   
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I do concede that rope can and does cause injury but maintain some omission of safety is still a major cause.


Sorry man, you are totally off base here. The phrase "Shit happens" wasn't formed out of negligence. Even the most dedicated people with the best safety practices can still have an accident. That is why they are called accidents and not "on purposes."

I worked in heating and air conditioning for 15 years, while I took every reasonable and prudent precaution, even being a little overcautious at times to keep my customers safe, there were a few problems that happened. Thank God no one died or was ever seriously hurt. My point is that even following the most restrictive guidelines to the letter of the law of safety, something that is random can happen. You can mitigate risks, you cannot eliminate them.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 6:47:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Shit happens" How utterly devoid of responsibility that statement is. You used your former occupation as an example, I'll use mine. Accident or injury is comprised of a chain of errors be they human, technological (ie computer related) or mechanical the majority of the time. There are structural failures due to any number of reasons from negligent engineering, miscalculation of material components, neglected maintenance, the list goes on and on but "shit happens?" That belongs in another post I read in these forums about "things you don't want to hear your rigger or master say while being tied up." No, I'm not "off base" here. Your statement is true in the sense someone wasn't minding their proverbial poo before "shit happened."

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 8:05:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please forgive me if you interpreted my post as speaking for you and your body. Rope as a tool is not for everyone and I respect your choices. Your original post made no reference to you as an individual. You made a blanket statement that rope cuts off circulation. If it causes you injury via bruising and loss of circulation I understand the decision not to use it.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 8:42:39 AM   
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However, the statement I was addressing implied the use of rope cuts off circulation which isn't entirely true when preventive measures are taken.

I'll concede that, you're right. Damage caused by circulation is preventable. It's damage caused by nerve compression that's the problem.

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ORIGINAL: CaptR
I followed the link you posted on fl and am not convinced every person posting their experiences on injury using rope is an "expert."

Certainly not every person but there are professional riggers sharing their incidents there.

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I do concede that rope can and does cause injury but maintain some omission of safety is still a major cause.

Agreed.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 8:45:25 AM   
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oooooooooooooooh yes, they are nice, yumm
Ive sold a lot of these
https://axovus.com/Leather-Metal-Band-Wrist-Cuffs.html


Hmm, I wonder if the neoprene lining is more comfortable than silicone.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 8:46:43 AM   
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Please forgive me if you interpreted my post as speaking for you and your body. Rope as a tool is not for everyone and I respect your choices. Your original post made no reference to you as an individual. You made a blanket statement that rope cuts off circulation. If it causes you injury via bruising and loss of circulation I understand the decision not to use it.


Wrong. I made a statement ABOUT ME, not a general statement. Perhaps you should read my original posting once again and notice the proliferation of "I Statements" before you start slinging accusations that what I said was not true. I don't profess to speak across the board about anything. Perhaps you should learn to do the same thing

The reality is even the most safety aware dominant/rigger out there CAN have something go wrong. That is just reality...and anyone who thinks they are immune from that reality is fooling themselves. Risks can be minimized as much as possible, but the only 100% guarantee that nothing bad could happen is just to not do it at all.

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RE: Chandcuffs above ropes - 9/13/2014 10:50:58 AM   
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It's very much a personal preference thing. My guy prefers using leather or a pair of cuffs he fashioned out of two chihuahua-sized dog collars with a carabiner in the middle to connect the two on me. Added bonus for him is that I cannot pinch the clips together to release the dog collar style cuffs and the leather ones have 3 sets of buckles and straps to try to release, so I never have enough time to work them before he catches me. The only time I got out of one was the time it wasn't tightened enough and my wrist just slipped out.

Rope itself cuts off circulation. With metal handcuffs, I end up with bruising because I've got bony wrists that don't respond well to metal bumping against.

No where in the above did I see ownership of the stand alone sentence "Rope itself cuts off circulation." In reality, rope itself tends to lay inert. If I was erroneous in my assumption regarding that sentence I apologise.
In addition I've not once suggested that the use of rope is 100% safe. I've only given my opinion on how injury/ accidents occur as a result of a series of errors through inattention, unforseen circumstances or any other host reasons during it's use. That is aside from "shit happens."


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