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What the FP article is trying to get through your thick head is that they were wrong about Glaspie when they blamed Saddams invasion on him in years previously

Even that sentence you quoted says nothing LIKE Saddam had a green light to invade Iraq, unless you are totally desperate to blame everything Saddam on a US ambassador

Let me break it down a little further, because I know you and NG are stupid

These hacks arent even making their weak, pathetic case against Bush, they were blaming the Iraq invasion of Kuwait on a US ambassador for misspeaking

And they even walked that back here in the article you presented

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I'm generally not inclined to take issue with my FP colleagues, but David Kenner's recent posting on the WikiLeaks release of a cable recounting Saddam Hussein's infamous meeting with U.S. ambassador April Glaspie deserves a response.
In an article headlined "Why One U.S. Diplomat Didn't Cause the Gulf War," Kenner argues that the new release shows that Glaspie should not be blamed for the U.S. failure to make a clear deterrent warning to Saddam. And that is what he accuses me and John Mearsheimer (and the Washington Post) of doing. In his words, "the Washington Post described her as ‘the face of American incompetence in Iraq.' Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer piled on in a 2003 article for Foreign Policy, arguing that Glaspie's remarks unwittingly gave Iraq a green light to invade Kuwait."

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surprise was almost universal

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Well one need not go very deeply at all although there are gaping wholes in the 9/11 story the people got from govt. But suffice it to say, grand juries don't 'go after' people. Real investigators investigate to pursue ALL of the evidence and sufficient probable cause then supplies witnesses that would be compelled to testify before those grand juries.

As I said in a previous thread in this subject, it has become and sadly so, that a sufficient majority of the American people simply don't care to have that investigation even to pursue the answers all of those unanswered questions on 9/11.

I am unsure you "Real investigators" should be using such a term, until you deliver some real evidence. So for the conspiracy nuts have delivered little other than doctored photos and inuendo. At least one of your number claims the poor souls in Auschwitz had "an "Olympic swimming pool"

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meh

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Well one need not go very deeply at all although there are gaping wholes in the 9/11 story the people got from govt. But suffice it to say, grand juries don't 'go after' people. Real investigators investigate to pursue ALL of the evidence and sufficient probable cause then supplies witnesses that would be compelled to testify before those grand juries.

As I said in a previous thread in this subject, it has become and sadly so, that a sufficient majority of the American people simply don't care to have that investigation even to pursue the answers all of those unanswered questions on 9/11.

I am unsure you "Real investigators" should be using such a term, until you deliver some real evidence. So for the conspiracy nuts have delivered little other than doctored photos and inuendo. At least one of your number claims the poor souls in Auschwitz had "an "Olympic swimming pool"

By real investigators I mean people who pursue an investigation which all starts with questions. I won't say it again irrespective of your immediate detour of scorn you heap upon (my number ?) those you claim are nuts who 'delivered' allegedly doctored photos and innuendo.

But it is obvious that not enough Americans care about all of those questions never answered and it is my guess that not enough here care either with the possible exception of dcnovice although he has not returned to this discussion.

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Well one need not go very deeply at all although there are gaping wholes in the 9/11 story the people got from govt. But suffice it to say, grand juries don't 'go after' people. Real investigators investigate to pursue ALL of the evidence and sufficient probable cause then supplies witnesses that would be compelled to testify before those grand juries.

As I said in a previous thread in this subject, it has become and sadly so, that a sufficient majority of the American people simply don't care to have that investigation even to pursue the answers all of those unanswered questions on 9/11.

I am unsure you "Real investigators" should be using such a term, until you deliver some real evidence. So for the conspiracy nuts have delivered little other than doctored photos and inuendo. At least one of your number claims the poor souls in Auschwitz had "an "Olympic swimming pool"

By real investigators I mean people who pursue an investigation which all starts with questions. I won't say it again irrespective of your immediate detour of scorn you heap upon (my number ?) those you claim are nuts who 'delivered' allegedly doctored photos and innuendo.

But it is obvious that not enough Americans care about all of those questions never answered and it is my guess that not enough here care either with the possible exception of dcnovice although he has not returned to this discussion.

What is the motivation of these 'real investigators'? To uncover the 'truth'? To determine the facts? Or to push a political/cultural angle?

Since a real investigator would use...SCIENCE.....and accept the findings of it. And the science does seem to point in the direction of what happened and how it happen given the evidence known. You, MrRodgers, can not seem to accept reality. So you believe a total fantasy. A fantasy that may have pieces of fact sprinkled about here and there. The problem is the 'distance' and 'depth' of things between those pieces of facts are so flimsy they wouldn't hold up to a decent level of scrutiny. Let alone a specific set of scientific tests.

The questions were answered. At a high level all the way down to 'low information voter' level. Here is but one example of science in action. Why do they test in a controlled set of conditions? To eliminate as many variables as possible. In this example, they already had a pretty good idea on what was going to happen.

All the conspiracies on this seem to have certain traits: conservative/libertarian political viewpoint, low or no education, believes in fantasies, have problems handling themselves in social situations, and don't have a stable argument full of actual evidence! The question "JFK was killed by ___________" is a black card from the game "Cards Against Humanity". The answer to that card usually has more facts to it, then all the conspiracies on JFK....COMBINED!

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So, why did 9/11 occur?

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So, why did 9/11 occur?

Because a bunch of religious zealots decided they would have God's grace for killing people they hated.

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Well one need not go very deeply at all although there are gaping wholes in the 9/11 story the people got from govt. But suffice it to say, grand juries don't 'go after' people. Real investigators investigate to pursue ALL of the evidence and sufficient probable cause then supplies witnesses that would be compelled to testify before those grand juries.

As I said in a previous thread in this subject, it has become and sadly so, that a sufficient majority of the American people simply don't care to have that investigation even to pursue the answers all of those unanswered questions on 9/11.

I am unsure you "Real investigators" should be using such a term, until you deliver some real evidence. So for the conspiracy nuts have delivered little other than doctored photos and inuendo. At least one of your number claims the poor souls in Auschwitz had "an "Olympic swimming pool"

By real investigators I mean people who pursue an investigation which all starts with questions. I won't say it again irrespective of your immediate detour of scorn you heap upon (my number ?) those you claim are nuts who 'delivered' allegedly doctored photos and innuendo.

But it is obvious that not enough Americans care about all of those questions never answered and it is my guess that not enough here care either with the possible exception of dcnovice although he has not returned to this discussion.

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So, why did 9/11 occur?

Because a bunch of religious zealots decided they would have God's grace for killing people they hated.

If 9/11 occurred as a result of religious zealotry, why were secular not religious targets chosen? And the idea that the zealots hated the US people, as human beings, doesn't make much sense either. They may have hated the US - as a political or military entity - but not individual Americans. If the goal was to kill as many Americans as possible, they would have chosen other targets (eg a sporting event) not the White House, the twin towers or the Pentagon.

So I am afraid that your explanation lacks depth.

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If 9/11 occurred as a result of religious zealotry, why were secular not religious targets chosen?

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And the idea that the zealots hated the US people, as human beings, doesn't make much sense either. They may have hated the US - as a political or military entity - but not individual Americans.

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If the goal was to kill as many Americans as possible, they would have chosen other targets (eg a sporting event) not the White House, the twin towers or the Pentagon.

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So I am afraid that your explanation lacks depth.

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If 9/11 occurred as a result of religious zealotry, why were secular not religious targets chosen?

Do you really expect to decipher the motivations of a bunch of religious nuts? I know that they regarded the Twin Towers as representative of what they hated about America and capitalism. That's why they were targeted with a bomb before. Personally, I think they just wanted to do something "spectacular" and make a statement. Blowing up a church or synagogue doesn't quite hold the same value as flying jets into two skyscrapers, the Pentagon, and whatever else they were trying to destroy.

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...the idea that extremist Muslims (I won't label them "religious nuts")...

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...the idea that extremist Muslims (I won't label them "religious nuts")...

Poe-tay-toe, poe-tah-toe....as far as I'm concerned.

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...the idea that extremist Muslims (I won't label them "religious nuts")...

Poe-tay-toe, poe-tah-toe....as far as I'm concerned.

That wasn't really directed at you. In this country's political climate, if you refer to Christians as "religious nuts", it makes you a good (Pablum©-puking liberal) American. If you label Muslims that way, it makes you a racist. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable attack, launched in my direction.

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Well one need not go very deeply at all although there are gaping wholes in the 9/11 story the people got from govt. But suffice it to say, grand juries don't 'go after' people. Real investigators investigate to pursue ALL of the evidence and sufficient probable cause then supplies witnesses that would be compelled to testify before those grand juries.

As I said in a previous thread in this subject, it has become and sadly so, that a sufficient majority of the American people simply don't care to have that investigation even to pursue the answers all of those unanswered questions on 9/11.

I am unsure you "Real investigators" should be using such a term, until you deliver some real evidence. So for the conspiracy nuts have delivered little other than doctored photos and inuendo. At least one of your number claims the poor souls in Auschwitz had "an "Olympic swimming pool"

By real investigators I mean people who pursue an investigation which all starts with questions. I won't say it again irrespective of your immediate detour of scorn you heap upon (my number ?) those you claim are nuts who 'delivered' allegedly doctored photos and innuendo.

But it is obvious that not enough Americans care about all of those questions never answered and it is my guess that not enough here care either with the possible exception of dcnovice although he has not returned to this discussion.

And you proved me wrong by presenting so many fact that you have found. How predictable, ask a conspiracy nut to give you a fact and none are forthcoming.