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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 11/1/2014 12:41:16 PM   
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I'd let them suffer and just slide skittles under the door. Switching it up with an odd M&M just for the hell of it.


But wipe off the m and s- they'll never know if they're getting something fruity or chocolately.


Ha! You should never doubt my love and affection for you, you twisted bitch.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 11/1/2014 7:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

I'd let them suffer and just slide skittles under the door. Switching it up with an odd M&M just for the hell of it.


But wipe off the m and s- they'll never know if they're getting something fruity or chocolately.


Ha! You should never doubt my love and affection for you, you twisted bitch.



You two are BRILLIANT!! I never thought of doing that.....going out to by the Skittles and M&Ms right now! (of course there's a good chance I will eat them all myself before my next visitor...)

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 11/22/2014 7:37:11 AM   
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Very interesting conversation. Personally if these "Doms" sense of control is so delicate and prickly that a polite suggestion is seen as a challenge i'd move on and not waste anymore of my time.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/2/2014 7:31:59 PM   
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I would never dare question the dark men who control pathetic white male sluts like me. I am a true submissive and know my place.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/2/2014 7:45:34 PM   
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I would never dare question the dark men who control pathetic white male sluts like me. I am a true submissive and know my place.


Even to tell them about a bathroom they might get locked in?

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/4/2014 5:05:21 AM   
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It's a no-brainer really... At the fundamental basic level this is about communication. Someone who cannot draw a distinction between friendly advice from a person who knows better & d/s dynamics imho is not only an arrogant blockhead but a danger to themselves and any potential partner.. I suspect the person was new to the role and has a lot to learn about life as well...

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/4/2014 11:37:53 PM   
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It's a no-brainer really... At the fundamental basic level this is about communication. Someone who cannot draw a distinction between friendly advice from a person who knows better & d/s dynamics imho is not only an arrogant blockhead but a danger to themselves and any potential partner.. I suspect the person was new to the role and has a lot to learn about life as well...


Welcome to the forum.

Stick around... I like you already.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/5/2014 8:55:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: therronlovesdick

I would never dare question the dark men who control pathetic white male sluts like me. I am a true submissive and know my place.


Meh, it's all fun and games until the dark lord is throwing a tantrum because his dumb ass got himself stuck in the bathroom.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/6/2014 12:23:32 AM   
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I am just wondering exactly what orientation of a person will I be looking for if I am simply seeking a man who enjoys to be topped from bottom.

Kinda like, he gets to play the character of my fantasy master, and I write the script for him to follow.

Hmm, this gives me idea, I will go search in the vanilla world if vanilla men will do this. I know no self-respecting doms will be interested.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/6/2014 2:11:19 AM   
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I am just wondering exactly what orientation of a person will I be looking for if I am simply seeking a man who enjoys to be topped from bottom.

Kinda like, he gets to play the character of my fantasy master, and I write the script for him to follow.

Hmm, this gives me idea, I will go search in the vanilla world if vanilla men will do this. I know no self-respecting doms will be interested.


I've been coincidentally thinking about this lately. I identify strictly as a Domme (not a switch) because I've found I'm uncomfortable submitting in any way except for physically. I need to be emotionally and mentally in charge, and when I get in the mood to be roughed up a little by my partner, I only allow it if/when I know they'll maintain that I'm remaining the commander. Essentially if I'm taking on a submissive role, even for a moment, this is topping from the bottom in loose terms, right? Or perhaps not since I'm not a true submissive and am only dictating certain acts of dominance be directed toward by body at my order (e.g., spanking).

So in regards to your question, I still consider my partner to be a submissive and that's who I continue to seek for this type of play. Definitely not a Dom since, as you pointed out, it would most likely be grossly disrespectful to provide a script for him/her. However, BDSM is a fluid thing and I think it would be silly to say it's impossible to find a Dom that would be comfortable enough in his masculinity to allow you to have this fun with him by playing along. Kind of like how I allow a submissive to dominate me in ways that get me off physically.

Is the other option for you to seek someone whose orientation is a switch? Perhaps it comes naturally for them to be able to jump back and forth between roles with respect to your wants and needs. That seems possible, but I'm not going to speak for the switches here and instead will ask them to chime in with some input. It's interesting that you seem to be questioning your partner's orientation over your own. What if this is a matter of you becoming dominant and finding a submissive for an occasional "scripted" session?

Funny to find your post after this topic's been creeping into my mind the past week!

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/7/2014 12:44:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ReinRaus
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I am just wondering exactly what orientation of a person will I be looking for if I am simply seeking a man who enjoys to be topped from bottom.

Kinda like, he gets to play the character of my fantasy master, and I write the script for him to follow.

Hmm, this gives me idea, I will go search in the vanilla world if vanilla men will do this. I know no self-respecting doms will be interested.

I've been coincidentally thinking about this lately. I identify strictly as a Domme (not a switch) because I've found I'm uncomfortable submitting in any way except for physically. I need to be emotionally and mentally in charge, and when I get in the mood to be roughed up a little by my partner, I only allow it if/when I know they'll maintain that I'm remaining the commander. Essentially if I'm taking on a submissive role, even for a moment, this is topping from the bottom in loose terms, right? Or perhaps not since I'm not a true submissive and am only dictating certain acts of dominance be directed toward by body at my order (e.g., spanking).

So in regards to your question, I still consider my partner to be a submissive and that's who I continue to seek for this type of play. Definitely not a Dom since, as you pointed out, it would most likely be grossly disrespectful to provide a script for him/her. However, BDSM is a fluid thing and I think it would be silly to say it's impossible to find a Dom that would be comfortable enough in his masculinity to allow you to have this fun with him by playing along. Kind of like how I allow a submissive to dominate me in ways that get me off physically.

Is the other option for you to seek someone whose orientation is a switch? Perhaps it comes naturally for them to be able to jump back and forth between roles with respect to your wants and needs. That seems possible, but I'm not going to speak for the switches here and instead will ask them to chime in with some input. It's interesting that you seem to be questioning your partner's orientation over your own. What if this is a matter of you becoming dominant and finding a submissive for an occasional "scripted" session?

Funny to find your post after this topic's been creeping into my mind the past week!

There are varieties of S/switches, but there is just one (straight) male switch I've ever known who is the ideal kind of romantically - as opposed to kink&fetish-obsessed - masculine submissive. Unfortunately, he's already taken.

I can't speak for Greta at all, since she's submissive and wants a Dom, but I have a feeling that you (RR) have been running into the same problem that I have. Not being able to find the Holy Grail of male subs, one who is more than a bedroom submissive without acting like a subservient, lowly servant or needy inferior, instead of a genuine intimate partner. One who is both comfortable with his submission and with his masculinity.

When you want to bottom but you are still in charge of and in control of the scene, you are still the Dominant one. So that doesn't change--it's just the giving (Topping) and receiving (bottoming) roles which have changed. Or switched, if you want to look at it that way, functionally but not in the D/s dynamic sense.

Btw, this is not an unusual sentiment I hear from other Dommes either, especially when they keep running into male subs who can't make the grade as a lover and act as if being one and/or doing any service Topping is a begrudgingly submissive duty, like they're doing you some kind of huge favor.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/7/2014 1:30:57 PM   
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Female subs often have problems service topping. It's something that I understand intellectually but I would be squicked by if he made me do it.



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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/7/2014 5:51:56 PM   
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Female subs often have problems service topping. It's something that I understand intellectually but I would be squicked by if he made me do it.

No question about that, and I can see where certain kinds of bottoming would be a deal breaker in an M/f. A female sub seeking a full-fledged relationship commitment doesn't ordinarily (I assume) have a problem with having *regular* sexual relations with her Dom.

The thing is, with F/m, non-BDSM sexual activities which are taken for granted between uninhibited vanilla sex partners suddenly become framed into Top/bottom activities within a D/s dynamic, when they don't even have to do with BDSM.
There are male subs who presume that they are not worthy of (or have been told this by a previous Mistress), or shouldn't engage in, *normal* sexual intercourse with their Domme, because in their minds she is bottoming. Likewise, there are Dommes who have adopted this skewed mindset. It's not BDSM, it's just sex.

There are male subs who think that giving oral is a kinky activity. Technically, the woman is "bottoming" here if one were to see this as BDSM instead of just having sex. But this incongruency in their logic doesn't seem to compute.
Technically speaking, being on the receiving end of a foot fetishist is the fetishee bottoming to the fetisher.
There are male subs who only want to be the anal receiver. I tend to see a male sub who doesn't want to please his Domme in the manner she wants to be pleased (within pre-designated limits, of course) as being sexually lazy or else sexually inept. Or both.

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RE: Topping from Bottom? Really? - 12/8/2014 8:59:18 AM   
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Intellectually it doesn't make any sense. But honestly, I don't enjoy being on top during sex. He made his point about him still being in charge by tying me up and then putting me there. But that requires that the dominant be physically able to do so and most male subs will be taller and heavier than a fem domme so that isn't something you can do.

And I think that's part of the problem. That oftentimes a sub needs to feel physically overpowered. I'm not sure what you can do to drive this point home if you need his physical cooperation. Except a certain level of maintenance spankings so they have that physical need met.

And I don't find that a bad thing if they're honest about needing it. But attempting to manipulate a partner through passive aggressive means is never okay.

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