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Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 11:24:08 AM   
NorthernGent


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Advice needed, please.

I went to the US a couple of years back. When I got to Washington airport I was stopped, bags checked, questioned and so on.

As part of the questioning, I was asked why my PC has a Saudi IP address (the PC I'd used to purchase a visa).

I've never been to Saudi and my computer at that time was bought in England.

I have Israel, UAE and Oman stamped on my passport, so at the time I thought this was the real reason for me being stopped and the whole Saudi IP address thing was part of the routine they go through in an attempt to catch you out.

I didn't really think much more about it.

Earlier this year I was in Norway, and had paid for a hire car through my PC which was a different PC I purchased about a year back.

We had a problem with the car and when I called the car company I looked through the documents and to my surprise saw the IP address on the documents purchased from my new PC, and the IP address on the documents stated Saudi Arabia.

So, my question is: I purchased a Visa for the US on one PC; I purchased a car from Norway on another PC; both PCs were bought in England. How can these computers have a Saudi IP address?

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 11:29:50 AM   
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IP or CID?

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 11:45:35 AM   
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IP or CID?



What's CID, exiled?


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 11:51:55 AM   
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Computer Identification number. A CID is a part of your software, and an IP is your internet protocol. That is subject to change based on your ISP, if you use proxy, or if a virus has just infected your system to make shit rough on you. It sounds suspiciously that you have a virus that is playing merry havoc on your IP and or CID, and with the terror situation, it would make some malicious prick quite giddy to have people randomly flagged as potential terrorists.

It's been a few years since I was an active A+ IT tech, and the downside of being a mac user is I don't have to stay on top of the virus world.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 11:58:52 AM   
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Computer Identification number. A CID is a part of your software, and an IP is your internet protocol. That is subject to change based on your ISP, if you use proxy, or if a virus has just infected your system to make shit rough on you. It sounds suspiciously that you have a virus that is playing merry havoc on your IP and or CID, and with the terror situation, it would make some malicious prick quite giddy to have people randomly flagged as potential terrorists.

It's been a few years since I was an active A+ IT tech, and the downside of being a mac user is I don't have to stay on top of the virus world.



Definitely IP.

So presumably it must have come from my e-mail account as the two are the only things consistent with both PCs?




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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:01:08 PM   
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I would check your settings to see what LOCALE you have setup on your PC.

Sooo many times I've seen so-called 'experts' install the OS, say its UK (keyboard and code set), then find the locale has been left as the default US location.

Also, as ET said, it could also be some malware/hijack changing your IP location via a proxy.
The reason I say that is two PC's, bought separately, both exhibiting the same behaviour???
Sounds very suspect to me.


< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 9/26/2014 12:02:06 PM >


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:03:59 PM   
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Either your email or a site that you frequent. Other than the top of the line anti-virus/anti-spyware you should have a non administrative user account that you conduct all of your E-business on. One of the failings of PC OS's is when on your admin account your OS rarely questions the validity of changes being made to your system. Mac is like a redneck preacher while his virgin daughter is on a date... sitting in the back seat with a shotgun saying, "This here will go off before you do, son, trust me."

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:06:30 PM   
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I would check your settings to see what LOCALE you have setup on your PC.

Sooo many times I've seen so-called 'experts' install the OS, say its UK (keyboard and code set), then find the locale has been left as the default US location.

Also, as ET said, it could also be some malware/hijack changing your IP location via a proxy.
The reason I say that is two PC's, bought separately, both exhibiting the same behaviour???
Sounds very suspect to me.



FD, I'm trying to marrow the options down as to how this happened, because I have someone in mind - although I could be being a little paranoid.

Is this sort of thing unusual?


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:12:04 PM   
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The following is written for a novice, I do not mean to insult if you already know this stuff.

Northern, run the following software:

Spybot Search and Destroy: http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/spybot_search_destroy_tools.html

Run this one first. Fairly intuitive software. Do the updates on install. Scans do not take a ton of time depending on the speed of your machine. Fix as needed.

Trend Microsystems Housecall: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

I like online anti-virus programs because they tend to be updated very frequently as opposed to regular anti-virus software which usually updates about once a week. They are no substitute for a good, solid anti-virus installed on your computer. If you already have an AV installed, you may have to disable it to run Housecall.

Make certain that your Windows Updates are current.

Run both of these scans, and see what they might find. I have had great success with both of these programs. Malwarebytes is another decent one although I don't use it normally.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:13:27 PM   
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Also, go here:

http://whatismyipaddress.com/

See what it says.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:15:37 PM   
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And contact your NCA NCCU and ask if this is a common problem.

ETA: http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/contact-us

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:20:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

FD, I'm trying to marrow the options down as to how this happened, because I have someone in mind - although I could be being a little paranoid.

Is this sort of thing unusual?



It is not uncommon for a virus or malware to route through a proxy, especially if they are using your machine to send out spam or other crap.

You can become infected many different ways, too many to list here. Most common is surfing porn, downloading illegal files or downloading attachments to emails. There could be a browser plugin that is out of date and vulnerable as a result.

Get the problem fixed, then try to figure out what happened.

Edited to add: Exiled is right, you might want to get a government entity involved and just ask questions. In this day and age, it may be better to go to them rather than them knocking down your door.

< Message edited by Gauge -- 9/26/2014 12:22:35 PM >


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:22:31 PM   
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I'd stack Malwarebytes against any of the trend micro stuff.
I've not found trend to be very good at all.

But.... as you said, there is no substitute for a good AV - and not a free one either!!!
A lot of online ones won't let you fix a problem without paying first, even if it finds some nasties.


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:29:52 PM   
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quote:

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I'd stack Malwarebytes against any of the trend micro stuff.
I've not found trend to be very good at all.

But.... as you said, there is no substitute for a good AV - and not a free one either!!!
A lot of online ones won't let you fix a problem without paying first, even if it finds some nasties.



I won't get into a pissing contest about software... we all have our favorites. Trend is a good online scan, as is BitDefender, Pandascan, not sure if Malwarebytes have an online or not. I never checked.

As far as free anti-virus goes, there are a few that are very serviceable. It is best to do your homework when choosing one. Paying for added protection that you might not need is a personal choice, but most of the time, a lot of the shit they have just isn't needed if your basic security habits are good.

As far as one software over another goes... there is no software that will catch everything, every time, that is why I use one anti-virus and two malware detecting programs along with a script blocker plugin in my browser.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:32:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

Edited to add: Exiled is right, you might want to get a government entity involved and just ask questions. In this day and age, it may be better to go to them rather than them knocking down your door.


I always prefer to put myself on the radar rather than become a sudden blip.

Jus sayin

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:47:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

I always prefer to put myself on the radar rather than become a sudden blip.

Jus sayin


Yeah, it is a very smart move for a lot of reasons. It may be a fucking prankster trying to make trouble, or it might be something a bit darker, there really is no way to know. The good thing about getting an agency involved is that they will help you if you are a victim of something, especially if it is common. Make no mistake though, go to the agency or not, rest assured Northern already has a file gathering dust in some government office file cabinet.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:50:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Advice needed, please.

I went to the US a couple of years back. When I got to Washington airport I was stopped, bags checked, questioned and so on.

As part of the questioning, I was asked why my PC has a Saudi IP address (the PC I'd used to purchase a visa).

I've never been to Saudi and my computer at that time was bought in England.

I have Israel, UAE and Oman stamped on my passport, so at the time I thought this was the real reason for me being stopped and the whole Saudi IP address thing was part of the routine they go through in an attempt to catch you out.

I didn't really think much more about it.

Earlier this year I was in Norway, and had paid for a hire car through my PC which was a different PC I purchased about a year back.

We had a problem with the car and when I called the car company I looked through the documents and to my surprise saw the IP address on the documents purchased from my new PC, and the IP address on the documents stated Saudi Arabia.

So, my question is: I purchased a Visa for the US on one PC; I purchased a car from Norway on another PC; both PCs were bought in England. How can these computers have a Saudi IP address?

Thanks in advance.


You don't have to reveal it here, but what do you use for email? There are a lot of people who use AOL, which pretty much let's anyone and everything through. Hotmail used to be terrible, although it's better now that MSFT has made it part of outlook.com. But anything could have gotten through previously. Yahoo? Does anyone really trust Yahoo? Gmail is better but of course google reads every email you ever write.

You don't have to be an idiot and click on a Nigerian email to get infected. You could have click on a picture, even, and while it's often porn, it needn't be. There are a lot of stealth ways to infect a computer.

I would absolutely use a solid email server (I'll let others recommend them: I personally don't have much of an issue with outlook and from a spam POV, I find google to be acceptable).

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 12:51:46 PM   
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I was asked why my PC has a Saudi IP address...

Are you using a VPN like "HideMyAss" or "IPvanish"? Those are Saudi VPNs, and your traffic will report a Saudi IP address.

K.

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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 1:01:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

I was asked why my PC has a Saudi IP address...

Are you using a VPN like "HideMyAss" or "IPvanish"? Those are Saudi VPNs, and your traffic will report a Saudi IP address.

K.



Fuck knows. I just turn up at the shop, buy a computer, take it home and switch it on.

What is a VPN by the way?


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RE: Computer Experts - 9/26/2014 1:04:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Advice needed, please.

I went to the US a couple of years back. When I got to Washington airport I was stopped, bags checked, questioned and so on.

As part of the questioning, I was asked why my PC has a Saudi IP address (the PC I'd used to purchase a visa).

I've never been to Saudi and my computer at that time was bought in England.

I have Israel, UAE and Oman stamped on my passport, so at the time I thought this was the real reason for me being stopped and the whole Saudi IP address thing was part of the routine they go through in an attempt to catch you out.

I didn't really think much more about it.

Earlier this year I was in Norway, and had paid for a hire car through my PC which was a different PC I purchased about a year back.

We had a problem with the car and when I called the car company I looked through the documents and to my surprise saw the IP address on the documents purchased from my new PC, and the IP address on the documents stated Saudi Arabia.

So, my question is: I purchased a Visa for the US on one PC; I purchased a car from Norway on another PC; both PCs were bought in England. How can these computers have a Saudi IP address?

Thanks in advance.


You don't have to reveal it here, but what do you use for email? There are a lot of people who use AOL, which pretty much let's anyone and everything through. Hotmail used to be terrible, although it's better now that MSFT has made it part of outlook.com. But anything could have gotten through previously. Yahoo? Does anyone really trust Yahoo? Gmail is better but of course google reads every email you ever write.

You don't have to be an idiot and click on a Nigerian email to get infected. You could have click on a picture, even, and while it's often porn, it needn't be. There are a lot of stealth ways to infect a computer.

I would absolutely use a solid email server (I'll let others recommend them: I personally don't have much of an issue with outlook and from a spam POV, I find google to be acceptable).


Subrosa,

British Telecom e-mail.

It sounds like there could be a few possibilities which answers the question in a way.


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