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BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 3:49:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
You also assume you'll get the first shot off. Unfortunately, when they attack, its when your not ready. That is what is called surprise. Remember that guy running from a tree while you were out walking your dog? You didn't see him until he was right on top of you. Where was your gun? Not in your hand nor pointed at him. Could he have just unloaded shots on you? Yes. You wouldn't have known until it was too late to resist. You assume a huge amount of bullshit without any reality; then complain when people give you the reality check.
The problem with this and each scene you put together falls apart on one point. If I am only allowed to fight hand to hand I am even worse off. If there are five with guns I am in trouble. Why would I think I am better than they are? I have seen them handle guns, they learned from the movies, I learned from cops and the military. If there are five and I have nothing how am I better off. We have had a case of six to one very near here. They had baseball bats. I think that even you would have to admit that against bats I would be better off with a gun than with my bare hands.
REALLY? All persons with firearms that are criminals learned to shoot from the movies? Where the hell do you come up with this pile of shit? News flash....they do practice with their guns. Or are you Mr. Telepathy that can scan their minds at the gun range? Oh? Your not? Then your FULL OF SHIT......AGAIN!
Bare hands? Never heard of a club? What your telling me is that without a gun, your so totally defenseless that you can do anything? Bullshit. If your THAT crippled, the gun isn't going to do you any good either!
You learned stuff from the police and military? So have I! Guess they taught you how to eat donuts REALLY well. As my instructors taught me to never rely on just one defense system or tactic. If the gun is your only defense with all that knowledge and experience; I have to call bullshit!
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
It is not my fantasy that guns would disappear from society, just listen to the rantings of your allies.
What allies?
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
They seem to think that even the bad guys would instantly be disarmed.
Then you and my mysterious 'allies' don't know much about human nature....
I told you above what would happen. In the short time, guns would still be used in most cases as is current; yet as time goes on, those instances of firearms used would deteriorate. Criminals would be more guarded in doing things that might risk their assets. At that point, a firearm, *is*, an asset. You believe that with guns ban, the criminals would running around in the streets killing everyone like an FPS. You honestly think people would go about this process in the dumbest fashion. If what you said was true, then answer me this: Why are the crimes with firearms involved so low in every country with heavy restrictions on said firearms? Your argument runs counter to the reality observed.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
No it would automatically give the bad guys the edge for several years.
No it wouldn't. Criminals would be looking over their shoulders much more than before. As other criminals would want those guns. So before when guns were easy to come by, now the laws of 'supply and demand' are much different; that criminal with a gun could sell it to someone else for a marked up price. Or they could do something themselves, and place their asset at risk.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And it would subject those honest citizens to arrest just for possessing a firearm.
That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
What do you thing the purpose of illegal databases like the one pointed out in this thread are for.
Did you bother to check on the database in question? No. Someone told you how to think, and you didn't question it. Go check the information. Start with 'California SB 505'.....
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When you get your dream of a ban they know where everyone who bought legally is, the only people who they won't hit right off are the criminal element because they didn't get them through channels.
You have this very fucked up view that I want such a ban. When have I said I want such a ban? I've stated that the current view on the 2nd is corrupted, and that we shouldn't be surprised by all the problems we have in society due to it. I stated what I feel the 2nd actually means. And that common citizens, outside of the local police could have firearms. I even went one step further on proposing an amendment that fixes the 2nd to apply to militias, and to state that self defense is an individual liberty. Not one person took me up on fleshing out the idea. Not even you!
The ONLY reason I gave the idea of a ban, is for the 'sake of the argument'. While many liberals are for banning all the guns, its just not feasible. There are a huge amount of logistics to over come. Not to mention individual instances in which a firearm would help a situation for a citizen. You glossed over all those things previously stated.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Duh of course the cops will still have guns, so what.
That does seem to be a concept conservatives seem to overlook until its pointed out. But then, the reply by conservatives is pessimistic about said police officers. That their view is one bad officer means they are all bad. And that is pretty far from the truth. I know plenty of officers that work hard to maintain good public relations with the community they operate in. They get to know the kids and parents, the folks on the streets, the shop owners and hang around spots with people.
News flash, if they had the self discipline to become good with a gun they wouldn't be thugs.
No you say don't want to ban gun, you just want to ignore all obstacles to doing so.
The more primitive the weapons, the greater the advantage numbers gives you. If you knew anything about close combat you would know that.
Other criminals would want the guns of criminals, this decreases their edge over me how?
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