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joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:23:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That does seem to be a concept conservatives seem to overlook until its pointed out. But then, the reply by conservatives is pessimistic about said police officers. That their view is one bad officer means they are all bad. And that is pretty far from the truth. I know plenty of officers that work hard to maintain good public relations with the community they operate in. They get to know the kids and parents, the folks on the streets, the shop owners and hang around spots with people. Cops don't prevent crime so much as try to solve them, they do you no good while you are being victimized. Cops don't prevent crime? Are you on acid? An actually while being the victim in an altercation, one police officer torn the guy off me and arrested his ass! So I have to call bullshit there as well! You got lucky, I have never seen a cop when I would have needed them. If I was lucky, I would be winning powerball jackpots. No, I was using tactics with that fellow. He was drunk, belligerent, and was beating his girlfriend. I knew the cop was literally fifty feet away. Its a simple chess move really. Advance the knight who is defended by the rook.

joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:24:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny You obviously don't know much about the illegal drug trade. It's pretty clear he doesn't know much about most of the topics he drones on about. Why would this be any different? And your not even remotely on topic. So perhaps you should get a clue from the clue bucket.....

joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's what I thought....FULL OF SHIT.... Whatever you want to believe, joether. That's how you operate. Belief is the basis of faith. I tend to side with science. It uses evidence.

BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:30:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught. Idiot, that was an explanation for why the honest people would be disarmed long before any criminal, can't you even follow something as simple as this. Here's a news flash for you: Criminals are disarmed on a daily basis. Hundreds if not thousands. And then house them in these places called 'prisons'. You are aware that America has the largest prison population, right? And if such a ban were in effect (again, for the sake of the argument), those Criminals would...STILL...be disarmed on a daily basis. By the hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention caches of firearms being found. Would be like Prohibition all over again. Except law enforcement would have better abilities and equipment. Those making firearms would have to become more sophisticated in their operations and logistics management. But that couldn't happen, because according to your 'assessment', all criminals watch movies and are idiots. Not one damn thing you have told me is a news flash. So stop acting like I am too stupid to understand. Just like prohibition that worked so well didn't it. After all these attempts to tell me how smart and well trained criminals are you tell me about one that was so stupid he assaulted you in front of a cop.

BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:33:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That does seem to be a concept conservatives seem to overlook until its pointed out. But then, the reply by conservatives is pessimistic about said police officers. That their view is one bad officer means they are all bad. And that is pretty far from the truth. I know plenty of officers that work hard to maintain good public relations with the community they operate in. They get to know the kids and parents, the folks on the streets, the shop owners and hang around spots with people. Cops don't prevent crime so much as try to solve them, they do you no good while you are being victimized. Cops don't prevent crime? Are you on acid? An actually while being the victim in an altercation, one police officer torn the guy off me and arrested his ass! So I have to call bullshit there as well! Actually the courts have stated that since the cops can't be everywhere all the time they cannot be held responsible for keeping you from being a victim. They hold down crime by finding the criminals and putting them away, not by being between you and the criminal at the time you are attacked (an impossible task by the way) And that's a bullshit argument conservatives used as the reason to have guns. So they can 'take the law into their own hands'. Like Zimmerman, Dunn, and many other colorful individuals. Law enforcement hold down crime not just by finding it, but going to the locations requesting aid. Or have you never heard of the 911 system? equating self defense with taking the law into their own hands. Are you too stupid to know that the bad guys won't give you a time out to wait for the police?

RottenJohnny -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:56:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Belief is the basis of faith. I tend to side with science. Then you should go back and read some of your other posts because I'm not convinced you really know the difference.

joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 4:57:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught. Idiot, that was an explanation for why the honest people would be disarmed long before any criminal, can't you even follow something as simple as this. Here's a news flash for you: Criminals are disarmed on a daily basis. Hundreds if not thousands. And then house them in these places called 'prisons'. You are aware that America has the largest prison population, right? And if such a ban were in effect (again, for the sake of the argument), those Criminals would...STILL...be disarmed on a daily basis. By the hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention caches of firearms being found. Would be like Prohibition all over again. Except law enforcement would have better abilities and equipment. Those making firearms would have to become more sophisticated in their operations and logistics management. But that couldn't happen, because according to your 'assessment', all criminals watch movies and are idiots. Not one damn thing you have told me is a news flash. So stop acting like I am too stupid to understand. Just like prohibition that worked so well didn't it. After all these attempts to tell me how smart and well trained criminals are you tell me about one that was so stupid he assaulted you in front of a cop. Your the one making these silly arguments that do not seem to take reality or facts into consideration. So I point them out. If you knew about this stuff already, why all the dumb and stupid comments in the first place? I didn't say he did this in front of a cop, did I? You assumed things based on...NO FACTUAL INFORMATION. Prohibition didn't work for many reasons. A few of those reasons are the level of technology, tools in use, and level of skills from many different fields.

BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 5:09:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught. Idiot, that was an explanation for why the honest people would be disarmed long before any criminal, can't you even follow something as simple as this. Here's a news flash for you: Criminals are disarmed on a daily basis. Hundreds if not thousands. And then house them in these places called 'prisons'. You are aware that America has the largest prison population, right? And if such a ban were in effect (again, for the sake of the argument), those Criminals would...STILL...be disarmed on a daily basis. By the hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention caches of firearms being found. Would be like Prohibition all over again. Except law enforcement would have better abilities and equipment. Those making firearms would have to become more sophisticated in their operations and logistics management. But that couldn't happen, because according to your 'assessment', all criminals watch movies and are idiots. Not one damn thing you have told me is a news flash. So stop acting like I am too stupid to understand. Just like prohibition that worked so well didn't it. After all these attempts to tell me how smart and well trained criminals are you tell me about one that was so stupid he assaulted you in front of a cop. Your the one making these silly arguments that do not seem to take reality or facts into consideration. So I point them out. If you knew about this stuff already, why all the dumb and stupid comments in the first place? I didn't say he did this in front of a cop, did I? You assumed things based on...NO FACTUAL INFORMATION. Prohibition didn't work for many reasons. A few of those reasons are the level of technology, tools in use, and level of skills from many different fields. The cop had to be pretty close. Drug fueled gangs have better funding than most police forces.

joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 5:10:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD equating self defense with taking the law into their own hands. Are you too stupid to know that the bad guys won't give you a time out to wait for the police? What did Zimmerman do again? That's right, he stalked and killed some kid he thought was up to no good. And what was the kid doing that was 'up to no good'? Just walking down the road. What did Dunn do again? Killed a bunch of kids in a car because the music was to loud. Without a gun, would either of these characters have done what they did? You would have to argue with some good evidence, that 'yes', they would have. Someone is breaking into your house, you are allowed to defend yourself; its called the Castle Doctrine. We all know that. These two characters went specifically out of their way and took the law into their own hands. Do you think the bad guys would wait for you to get your gun? Or just neutralize you straight up? I took the episode you mention of walking your dog one night. That some guy came from behind a tree/bushes as he was cutting across to short cut. He meant no harm to you. Yet, I asked the question: What if that guy laid in ambush and waited for you to be in his sights and unloaded? Gun or not, you would be dead. We can both play these little guys all week, BamaD. Point is, that law enforcement serves a purpose you can not be adult enough to admit to; because it undermines most of your beliefs. On firearms, government, physics, tactics, and reality.

joether -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 5:18:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Drug fueled gangs have better funding than most police forces. But police forces do not work in a vacuum. When they are dealing with something much larger than they can handle; they call in reinforcements. Police in towns in Massachusetts have 'treaties' of sorts to help other town's police forces when needed. Then even call up the State Troopers. For the REALLY big stuff, there is the federal forces. Anything beyond that....we have the US Military! Gangs have one inherent problem that law enforcement agencies don't worry about: trust. They don't tent to trust rival gangs; where as police from one town will trust another town's police 'has their back'.

BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 5:19:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD equating self defense with taking the law into their own hands. Are you too stupid to know that the bad guys won't give you a time out to wait for the police? What did Zimmerman do again? That's right, he stalked and killed some kid he thought was up to no good. And what was the kid doing that was 'up to no good'? Just walking down the road. What did Dunn do again? Killed a bunch of kids in a car because the music was to loud. Without a gun, would either of these characters have done what they did? You would have to argue with some good evidence, that 'yes', they would have. Someone is breaking into your house, you are allowed to defend yourself; its called the Castle Doctrine. We all know that. These two characters went specifically out of their way and took the law into their own hands. Do you think the bad guys would wait for you to get your gun? Or just neutralize you straight up? I took the episode you mention of walking your dog one night. That some guy came from behind a tree/bushes as he was cutting across to short cut. He meant no harm to you. Yet, I asked the question: What if that guy laid in ambush and waited for you to be in his sights and unloaded? Gun or not, you would be dead. We can both play these little guys all week, BamaD. Point is, that law enforcement serves a purpose you can not be adult enough to admit to; because it undermines most of your beliefs. On firearms, government, physics, tactics, and reality. To dumb to realize that Zimmerman never left the sidewalk in his own housing area and was getting his head beaten into the ground before he shot. Nobody defended Dunn. I am a lot more likely to have time to pull my gun than I am to wait for the cops to arrive. Again just because I may not win everytime doesn't mean I should agree to lose every time. You are being arrogant again. Of course the police have a job. They have been patrolling my area more which cuts down on the probability of my having to defend myself, but they are the first ones to tell you, here, that you are your own first line of defense.

quizzicalkitten -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 8:03:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught. Idiot, that was an explanation for why the honest people would be disarmed long before any criminal, can't you even follow something as simple as this. Here's a news flash for you: Criminals are disarmed on a daily basis. Hundreds if not thousands. And then house them in these places called 'prisons'. You are aware that America has the largest prison population, right? And if such a ban were in effect (again, for the sake of the argument), those Criminals would...STILL...be disarmed on a daily basis. By the hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention caches of firearms being found. Would be like Prohibition all over again. Except law enforcement would have better abilities and equipment. Those making firearms would have to become more sophisticated in their operations and logistics management. But that couldn't happen, because according to your 'assessment', all criminals watch movies and are idiots. So by the same logic... There is no drug use ever Right? Drugs are banned, and illegal and confiscated by the truckload around the US daily... and yet... Still Drugs make it into each country.... Hmmmm I just dont understand how that is... They are banned, not allowed in the country legally, you get arrested if you have them on your possession.... and they get taken from you... just where are these drugs coming from.... Oh thats right... because Criminals are so great at following the law....[8\|]

thishereboi -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 8:03:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD For those who have forgotten, this thread is about a California law which requires that law enforcement access a database, the existence of which is prohibited by law. How are we supposed to trust people who can't even follow their own laws? Funny, I ask that of all the conservative drivers speeding over the limit on the nation's freeways everyday..... Or of blaming the President on stuff the guy has no grounds to be accountable or responsible on. And its not illegal to have a database that can be used by law enforcement. And of one that lists whom has firearms. The 2nd and 4th do not protect you, the citizen, from that. Has it occurred to you that libs speed as often as conservatives? Actually after years of reading his posts, no it hasn't and it isn't likely to any time soon. He seems to think anyone of the right is evil and those on the left fart sunshine and flowers. It's one of the main reasons I don't bother with most of his posts. What I really want to know is how he gets them to stop so he can ask these questions unless he is just lying again.

Aylee -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 8:04:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Drug fueled gangs have better funding than most police forces. But police forces do not work in a vacuum. When they are dealing with something much larger than they can handle; they call in reinforcements. Police in towns in Massachusetts have 'treaties' of sorts to help other town's police forces when needed. Then even call up the State Troopers. For the REALLY big stuff, there is the federal forces. Anything beyond that....we have the US Military! Gangs have one inherent problem that law enforcement agencies don't worry about: trust. They don't tent to trust rival gangs; where as police from one town will trust another town's police 'has their back'. No. You do NOT have the US Military. Look up a little something called the Posse Comitatus Act and The Insurrection Act of 1807.

BamaD -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 8:20:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Drug fueled gangs have better funding than most police forces. But police forces do not work in a vacuum. When they are dealing with something much larger than they can handle; they call in reinforcements. Police in towns in Massachusetts have 'treaties' of sorts to help other town's police forces when needed. Then even call up the State Troopers. For the REALLY big stuff, there is the federal forces. Anything beyond that....we have the US Military! Gangs have one inherent problem that law enforcement agencies don't worry about: trust. They don't tent to trust rival gangs; where as police from one town will trust another town's police 'has their back'. No. You do NOT have the US Military. Look up a little something called the Posse Comitatus Act and The Insurrection Act of 1807. It was passed in 1807 therefore by the "logic" he has shown before he will point out that his superior wisdom tells him it is obsolete.

Kirata -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/8/2014 9:24:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny Instead of a Golden Shovel, may I make a suggestion? Well, the Golden Shovel award is given to those who can be counted upon to compulsively continue digging long after they're already neck-deep in a hole. The Golden Dump Truck, on the other hand, seems more addressed to what they're shoveling. So the suggestion I am willing to accept is that both awards are valid. But among those who earn the latter, there will always be some who succumb to good judgment and quit before attaining the supremely coveted Golden Shovel. [image]local://upfiles/235229/9439340AD85F48F88F1265C36A7516D2.jpg[/image] Image for illustration purposes only. K.

thishereboi -> RE: California's newest gun law comes with an admission (10/9/2014 6:40:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether That's the price one pays for not following the law. But if such a ban was in effect, they couldn't be defined as 'honest', since they knew about the law and lied up to the moment they got caught. Idiot, that was an explanation for why the honest people would be disarmed long before any criminal, can't you even follow something as simple as this. Here's a news flash for you: Criminals are disarmed on a daily basis. Hundreds if not thousands. And then house them in these places called 'prisons'. You are aware that America has the largest prison population, right? And if such a ban were in effect (again, for the sake of the argument), those Criminals would...STILL...be disarmed on a daily basis. By the hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention caches of firearms being found. Would be like Prohibition all over again. Except law enforcement would have better abilities and equipment. Those making firearms would have to become more sophisticated in their operations and logistics management. But that couldn't happen, because according to your 'assessment', all criminals watch movies and are idiots. Not one damn thing you have told me is a news flash. So stop acting like I am too stupid to understand. Just like prohibition that worked so well didn't it. After all these attempts to tell me how smart and well trained criminals are you tell me about one that was so stupid he assaulted you in front of a cop. Your the one making these silly arguments that do not seem to take reality or facts into consideration. So I point them out. If you knew about this stuff already, why all the dumb and stupid comments in the first place? I didn't say he did this in front of a cop, did I? You assumed things based on...NO FACTUAL INFORMATION. Prohibition didn't work for many reasons. A few of those reasons are the level of technology, tools in use, and level of skills from many different fields. No you didn't say he did that in front of a cop. But you did say " I knew the cop was literally fifty feet away." now maybe I am misreading that but if you could see that the cop was there, he should have been able to also. So he assumed things based on what you said which now that I think of it is the same as basing it on no factual information.

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