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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 3:31:08 PM   
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Well I would like this situation to be a real slave , not just playing the role of a slave ...


Look, fella. You asked us to bend the law into all sorts of contortions for you, and we've done our best.

If it doesn't measure up to your standards, perhaps it's because real slavery is illegal.

What the hell kind of slave are you anyway, asking this from us and then implying it's not good enough for you? When I was your age, slaves did all the work themselves, and they hadda walk five miles uphill every way to do it, too.
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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 3:44:44 PM   
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All a contract does is lay out what's expected of the parties involved. It's only as good or binding as your word. Is your word good?

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 4:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since you're hell bent on becoming one I'm going to suggest a move to Africa. In my work travels there I witnessed several forms of contemporary slavery that qualified as "real slavery." You'll not be bothered by the pesky legal aspects of your desires even though it's illegal in the countries across that continent too. I bet you won't even have
to bother with a contract. Mauritania, Ghana, Nigeria take your pick, every place has it's "opportunities" and Mistresses. If you're willing to submit I'm sure someone there is ready to facilitate your needs.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 5:14:54 PM   
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Butttt...those contracts specify pay for performance. Since you don't pay a slave, what the are you going to put down in these contracts as remuneration for duties performed? Spankings? Fun, but not legal tender. Whippings? Might draw legal eyes? Good food and fucking? Again, fun...but not legal tender.


Just because you don't give a slave actual money doesn't mean she doesn't get financial support, or anything tangible in return.

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In order for a contract to be legally binding, each party must receive some kind of benefit (consideration) in the contract. A one-sided contract would not hold up.

It's obvious what the slave gives. What does the slave receive, that could be contractually written?


A comfortable home....clothes on her back....food....health care. Can't someone hire someone to work in their home and provide all the things that they need to live....but not necessarily give them money? Wouldn't that still be legal?

So the contract says that one party agrees to give the other party unquestioned service, and the other party agrees to give first party the basic essentials they need to live. It's not one sided. And as long as you don't use the words "slave" or "Master" or "property" or "own" etc....why can't it be a binding contract?

I don't understand why everybody here thinks that the slave doesn't receive any tangible benefits that have some kind of monetary value. And why can't it be written into a contract that s/he will receive these things from the other party?


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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 6:28:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I've heard tell of "paying" a "slave" a buck a month or year. Some insignificant stipend that suffices as monetary pay. Or opening an account for the "slave" that h/she only has access to in the event of release. There's many ways to circumvent the "law". Still, a contract is only as good as your word

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/6/2014 11:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		No because sex is involved. If you receive remuneration for sex, then it's prostitution and that's illegal in all but a few rural counties in Nevada.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 6:54:42 AM   
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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 8:35:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Creative Dominant

Butttt...those contracts specify pay for performance. Since you don't pay a slave, what the are you going to put down in these contracts as remuneration for duties performed? Spankings? Fun, but not legal tender. Whippings? Might draw legal eyes? Good food and fucking? Again, fun...but not legal tender.


Just because you don't give a slave actual money doesn't mean she doesn't get financial support, or anything tangible in return.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

In order for a contract to be legally binding, each party must receive some kind of benefit (consideration) in the contract. A one-sided contract would not hold up.

It's obvious what the slave gives. What does the slave receive, that could be contractually written?


A comfortable home....clothes on her back....food....health care. Can't someone hire someone to work in their home and provide all the things that they need to live....but not necessarily give them money? Wouldn't that still be legal?

So the contract says that one party agrees to give the other party unquestioned service, and the other party agrees to give first party the basic essentials they need to live. It's not one sided. And as long as you don't use the words "slave" or "Master" or "property" or "own" etc....why can't it be a binding contract?

I don't understand why everybody here thinks that the slave doesn't receive any tangible benefits that have some kind of monetary value. And why can't it be written into a contract that s/he will receive these things from the other party?



Good point. I actually was a party to a contract like that once. I was a board member on a synagogue, and we had a small cottage on the property. We had a caretaker couple live in the cottage and they gave us ten hours of work per week doing custodial work, etc., in return for free rent. So, yes, it's possible, although of course sex cannot be a term of the contract.


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If I am am understanding what the OP intends with this contract, and please correct me if I am mistaken, but he seems to be looking for a contract which he can not, at a later date, change his mind and chose to end said contract.
One of the basic tenants of contract law is, it must be a mutually consensual agreement between both parties (you can hold a gun to someone's head and make them sign a piece of paper, but the contract is null and void if they can prove they were coerced) and unfortunately, along the lines of that mutually consensual idea is, any contract can be canceled, somehow. Any contract which claims to have provisions in it which make it 'uncancelable' would never be considered legally enforceable.
Of course you can specify the method of cancellation...so that is something there. But basically speaking there is no way to make a contract which is legally binding which can't be withdrawn from assuming conditions set out are met.
So no, I know I am long winded about coming to the point, but you simply can not make a LEGALLY BINDING, contract where your choice to withdraw from it is completely taken from you. No matter what wording you choose to use.


Sort of. The contract can contain a penalty for violating it, akin to the Early Termination Fee of cell phone contracts. The problem is that the more onerous the penalty, the more effective it will be but also the greater chance that a judge would nullify the contract.

To be honest, I'm having a hard time reconciling the concept of a binding legal contract with M/s, which I consider voluntary and nonbinding.


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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 9:24:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't understand why you need a legally binding contract if you are that devoted of a slave. Unless it's so SHE doesn't kick YOU out?

As far as marriage, it's not exactly legally binding to enforce staying around if someone wants to leave. But there is that legally binding divorce decree that keeps them from coming back. Then again......damn, is nothing legally binding and enforcable anymore???

How about a lease to live in the property? The laws tend to overwhelmingly support tenants over the landlords. Hell, tenants can go months or years without paying rent, they can destroy the place, and it still almost takes an act of congress to make them leave.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 9:31:00 AM   
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Darn .. just had to throw that wrench in didntcha

Reality is one hell of a wrench

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 12:42:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Oh I've heard tell of "paying" a "slave" a buck a month or year. Some insignificant stipend that suffices as monetary pay. Or opening an account for the "slave" that h/she only has access to in the event of release. There's many ways to circumvent the "law". Still, a contract is only as good as your word


However, the issue becomes when either party cries "foul" at it. Circumventing the "law" (interesting that was put in quotes), is not quite that easy, should someone want to fight it.

All someone would need to do is say in a court of law that the ultimate basis of the contract is sex, and that would be the end of it (or at least would open up a HUGE can of worms). Courts also do tend to look very skeptically at the de minimus payments. (Sort of like "selling"a car to a relative for a dollar....the first question would be "what rule or regulation are you trying to circumvent?")

To the OP: I know of no circumstance where a slavery contract would be legally binding in the US. Wasn't that mostly what the Civil War was all about??? What's interesting with contracts, at least to me, is that there's no such thing as "indentured servitude". There is ALWAYS going to be a way out, for either party.

Let's take an ostensibly enforceable contract for services. You are a contractor that agrees to replace the roof on someone's house. You have a contract with a timeline and an agreement for payment. For whatever reason, you are unable to complete the job. The homeowner hauls you to court to enforce the contract. The court has several options here...none of which will require you to complete the job without having the proper renumeration. You complete it, and get paid. You say, "hey, I can't do it because of ____", and whatever arrangements are made for an alternate contractor to be hired and the job completed. In no circumstance would a court require you to complete the job without being paid.

There is ALWAYS an out. That's what contract law is about. If you breach the contract, you will generally have an alternative-- either live by the terms of the contract, or pay (monetarily) the consequences. A court is not going to force it one way or the other- especially in the case of a "slavery contract".


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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 1:40:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rather then a Legal Contract for services, what if the slave executes a Power of Attorney, surrendering his/her rights in regards to various aspects of their life (and with it control) to the Dominant. PoA can be used to assign the rights regarding financial decisions, control of property, health issues and most other matters. They can be specific or general.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 1:41:45 PM   
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Rather then a Legal Contract for services, what if the slave executes a Power of Attorney, surrendering his/her rights in regards to various aspects of their life (and with it control) to the Dominant. PoA can be used to assign the rights regarding financial decisions, control of property, health issues and most other matters. They can be specific or general.


While a good idea...also revocable.



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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 2:53:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do you feel you need some type of contract? If you want to commit yourself to someone that's all you need. We made a commitment to each other, no contract, no marriage license, nothing in writing, just our word to each other. There is no guarantee that at some time down the road one or both won't want out for some reason and there's nothing that can prevent the commitment from dissolving whether there's a piece of paper or not.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 4:00:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Oh I've heard tell of "paying" a "slave" a buck a month or year. Some insignificant stipend that suffices as monetary pay. Or opening an account for the "slave" that h/she only has access to in the event of release. There's many ways to circumvent the "law". Still, a contract is only as good as your word


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Good point. I actually was a party to a contract like that once. I was a board member on a synagogue, and we had a small cottage on the property. We had a caretaker couple live in the cottage and they gave us ten hours of work per week doing custodial work, etc., in return for free rent. So, yes, it's possible, although of course sex cannot be a term of the contract.


So....there is no mention of sex in the contract. Problem solved. I got the impression (I could be wrong) that what the OP was wondering about primarily was the idea of the slave going into a situation that they cannot leave of their own volition. Like I said before....they do it all the time with entertainers and athletes.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 4:24:32 PM   
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What the hell kind of slave are you anyway, asking this from us and then implying it's not good enough for you? When I was your age, slaves did all the work themselves, and they hadda walk five miles uphill every way to do it, too.


Didn't they have to walk uphill on the way back as well?

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 4:39:12 PM   
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Is there a way to make a slavery contract that would be legal and force me not to get out of my slavery status ? I mean a contract that forces me not to change my mind and put me under full control of my Mistress/Owner ? Please advise !!


Short answer is no. Longer answer is no, but, it could be possible to place QUITE onerous penalties for breaching what would be a contract for services; such as financial penalties. If the penalties would be considered by a court as too onerous, as another poster pointed out, its also likely that those overly onerous penalties would nullify the contract.

If the underlying purpose of the contract was construed as being sexual and / or to attempt to circumvent the law by 'enforcing' an illegal act, then it would not be legally valid.

Both parties must provide and receive Consideration for a contract to exist.

To get restitution for a Breach of Contract, you have to go to court and persuade them that its a valid contract, and it was Breached. Sounds obvious, but its worth mentioning.

You could however, sell everything you have; borrow up to the hilt, and then give the money to the Dom / Domme; you are then pretty much totally stuck if they don't support you - you don't need a contract to do that. Better be sure you want to be at their mercy for a long time though! Even that wouldn't prevent you walking out and starting up from the bottom, of course.

So, the longer answer is also no.

Sounds like a flight to the parts of the world mentioned in a post above is about your option!

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 6:45:36 PM   
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Well I would like this situation to be a real slave , not just playing the role of a slave ...

Sell yourself into an illegal male slavery ring. Sorted :)

If you chose your mistress, it will never be real slavery. Real slaves don't have choices to choose the mistress they want to serve.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 8:55:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		As of 2007 when Mauritania made slavery a crime, slavery is now illegal in all countries. So there is no such thing as a legal slavery contract. Sorry.

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RE: Legal slavery contract - 10/7/2014 10:27:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real slavery got illegal for a reason . Ask what that reason can be. In short version, it's because how they acted , how real slaves lived there life, if you can call it life at all.
You want to be real slave ? Well real slavery is much worst that the bdsm slavery
lets look at fetish sites, i bet the slaves there didnt experience what a real slave experienced.

if, and thats a big if, if the slavery was more close to the bdsm , then maybe , and that a big maybe , it would have been legal . But the fact it , it's much worst that the bdsm one , and until people would act like that if it was legal then it wont be legal

maybe in the future would be legal, who know , people change , society changes , but for now it's illegal

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