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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?

US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.

29% (13)

The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries

38% (17)

We should never close airports from any country.

11% (5)

What the hell is going to happen next in this country?

4% (2)

I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola

6% (3)

I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.

4% (2)

I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.

4% (2)

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 1:44:37 PM

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FR,

Two schools in Ohio were closed over ebola scares.

They were closed because a school worker might have flown on the same plane as Vinson, though it is was known that it wasn't the same flight.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 1:51:12 PM

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What we really need to do is get over there with the CDC and the equipment and get this under control, and develop vaccines as well, the areas these outbreaks have been in is like North Dakota a very sparse area (relatively) it hits Nigeria or Eastward from where it is now, its gonna be all over. Make AIDS look like the sniffles.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 2:11:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

So, now we have a family that has been in contact with someone infected with Ebola. We have a commercial plane with other passengers that now have had some contact with a person infected with Ebola. We have a crew that has potentially come in contact with Ebola while they were doing routine cleaning of that plane.

What's the truth?

Why do you care? Does a conservative interpretation of the constitution allow for any of this? Why isn't this a job for private enterprise?

Why shouldn't he care beyond the confines of what is contained in the U.S. Constitution, unless you are contending that DS is a strict Constitutionalist?

It is his sig line.

I see, but then this begs the question how does a literal interpretation of the Constitution (if that were the case, I'm not saying that it is) preclude governmental involvement in public health scares and potential threats to the lives of American citizens? In re-reading this thread, I don't think anybody has taken such a (Constitutional) position on this matter, unless you're seeing something that I am not.

It is not my intention to get off topic or go beyond the purview of the issue being addressed on this thread, but I also believe that Ebola aside, whatever measures get taken now should be consistent with how the spread of contagious diseases get handled and contained in the future.

ETA: We cross-posted DS, and I didn't see your post until just now.

Not allowing people from Ebola ravaged countries into the country is exactly the sort of thing the government is supposed to do, even to we strict constructionists.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 2:17:45 PM

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Hardly, it is not in the constitution, the health of Americans is not the governments concern, as we have heard from the nutsuckers on Obamacare. We want the freedom to die from Ebola, should be the tocsin you sound.

Jesus, let private enterprise handle it, the governments no good at this, right? Let's only talk out of one side of our mouths you guys.

We want limited government right? Jesus, first thing you know, these slovenly people dying from filthy diseases will expect the government handout all the time, right? You are creating a moral hazard.

Surround Texas, shoot anyone who comes out of it, and let the free market decide who lives and dies.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 2:54:06 PM

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I am about eight miles from the Vinson home, and it's a media feeding frenzy. Forgive me if I duplicate any prior posts. I just wanted to throw in my two cents.

First of all, I am inclined to lay this at the feet of the CDC. Vinson's cell phone records show that she did contact them to make sure she was adhering to CDC protocols. She was advised that she was below the threshold of a 100 temp, and was cleared to fly. Now, I do believe that she shares some responsibility in this matter. She's been exposed to Duncan during the most virulent phase of ebola. I don't think it was was wise to risk exposure to the general population. Es, a couple of schools are closed and the grocery stores are getting really busy with folks in a panic. My question is...three family members are self-monitoring for symptoms and have been asked not to return to Kent State until cleared. Has anyone heard if they are on voluntary quarantine, or if they are out and about? I do know that Vinson's mother traveled with her to Atlanta, and accompanied her during the flight.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 2:59:49 PM

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Surround Texas, shoot anyone who comes out of it, and let the free market decide who lives and dies.

Shooting? With guns? Lots of guns? Yummy! You're talking my language, Ron! More guns - that's the answer!

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 3:26:31 PM

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We should not only close our airports to flights from those countries, but also:

1. Refuse visas to anyone from those countries
2. Check all passports and refuse entry to anyone whose passport shows the bearer visited those countries within the last 30 days

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 3:50:48 PM

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Not allowing people from Ebola ravaged countries into the country is exactly the sort of thing the government is supposed to do, even to we strict constructionists.

Got to love the irony, or should I say hypocrisy of this argument. Either its in your constitution or it isnt, is the consatnt drivel i here from some of you.

Those that piss and moan about government interference in matters of health now scream for government involvement.

No wonder your health service was rated bottom of an American think tanks list of 11 top nations, yet again. Our healthcare service, so much derided by some here, once again topped the list.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 4:25:10 PM

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So, now we have a family that has been in contact with someone infected with Ebola. We have a commercial plane with other passengers that now have had some contact with a person infected with Ebola. We have a crew that has potentially come in contact with Ebola while they were doing routine cleaning of that plane.
What's the truth?

Why do you care? Does a conservative interpretation of the constitution allow for any of this? Why isn't this a job for private enterprise?

I believe in a conservative interpretation of the US Constitution, and he's attempting to get my goat.

No moron I just ask a question.

He's on hide, so it doesn't bug me one bit.

As if

What he failed to notice (or he did but decided he needed practice typing in bold) was that I wasn't calling for government to do anything, so there can't be any Constitutionality questions regarding it.

So you refuse to answer the question? How typical.

Some people would rather see another post at their hands than actually add to a discussion.

The question remains unanswered. Why isn't this the job of private enterprise? Why haven't called for an end to funding for the cdc?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 4:28:13 PM

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We should not only close our airports to flights from those countries, but also:

1. Refuse visas to anyone from those countries
2. Check all passports and refuse entry to anyone whose passport shows the bearer visited those countries within the last 30 days

You're not much of an international traveler are you?

I'll give you a hint, passports rarely get stamped anymore. I'm not sure how you could possibly enforce a 30 day rule.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 4:29:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Not allowing people from Ebola ravaged countries into the country is exactly the sort of thing the government is supposed to do, even to we strict constructionists.

Perhaps you might tell us just where in the constitution we might find that particular provision. Were exactly in the enumerated powers does one find that?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 4:45:37 PM

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Not allowing people from Ebola ravaged countries into the country is exactly the sort of thing the government is supposed to do, even to we strict constructionists.

I remember PPLs arguing that Obummercare fell under "promote the general welfare". I'm thinking doing everything within our power to keep a disease from becoming an epidemic (or pandemic) on our shores, falls under the same category (with a lot more wiggle room, to boot).

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 5:01:09 PM

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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fear-ebola-outbreak-make-nation-turn-science

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 6:11:01 PM

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I'll give you a hint, passports rarely get stamped anymore. I'm not sure how you could possibly enforce a 30 day rule.

Are you saying it doesn't get stamped, because now, it's just automated gates with thumb print required?
I still get a stamp no matter where I travel in Asia region.
Unless you live in Europe, then I guess Europeans can travel within Europe freely without passports right?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 7:52:13 PM

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 8:23:02 PM

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Maybe a number of people have a natural immunity?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 8:26:54 PM

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Because the nurse were dealing with cleaning up his diarrhea, the most contagious part of getting ebola from him. They clearly did not sanitize themselves enough after cleaning him.

So it's not airborne but fluid contact. I think Ebola virus also only survives up to 6 days outside the body and easily killed upon heated temperatures or UV light. They need lower temperatures to survive outside of a human body.

And we know alcohol kills them easily.

But this means, winter is coming in the US, that ebola can survive 5 weeks outside of body with 4degrees celsius. More things to look at. More precaution and sanitizing should be happening.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 8:36:22 PM

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

I posted an article from the Dallas newspaper up thread read it. It will enlighten you.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 8:42:08 PM

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They clearly did not sanitize themselves enough after cleaning him.

I don't believe that is the correct way to characterize what likely happened. The idea is to not to clean yourself up after exposure, but to avoid the exposure to begin with. They probably picked up the infection off their protective gear, while they were removing it.

Besides, are you saying the people in the apartment didn't do any cleaning in the bathroom, after the victim had been in there?

I'm not drawing any conclusions (and the window for developing symptoms isn't closed yet on those he was staying with). I'm saying it is of interest. We'll certainly see how many of the tracked contacts of the 3 Texas victims develop the disease, and other cases may show up in the US as well.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 8:44:16 PM

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I posted an article from the Dallas newspaper up thread read it. It will enlighten you.

I've seen some of what you've posted on this thread, Ken. Don't go smearing the poor newspaper's credibility by linking under your name.

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