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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?

US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.

29% (13)

The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries

38% (17)

We should never close airports from any country.

11% (5)

What the hell is going to happen next in this country?

4% (2)

I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola

6% (3)

I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.

4% (2)

I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.

4% (2)

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 9:51:16 PM

Marini

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I have heard some airports are FINALLY deciding to step up screening for Ebola.

This is a step in the right direction, though I think clearly not enough.

Stepped up Ebola screening at 4 airports

Only 4 airports at this time?

humm okay

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/16/2014 10:13:21 PM >

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 10:27:48 PM

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Maybe a number of people have a natural immunity?

The public shouldn't get their hopes up too high and start adopting that "It can't happen to me" type of denial mentality, but this is an interesting possibility. If so, I wonder if it's blood type or some other factor besides an uncompromised immune system.

Not a correlation on being the same form of infectious disease, but a couple of years ago during the swine flu epidemic, both my husband and normally healthy and robust younger son came down with swine flu, where they were terribly sick for over a week. My (then) husband had gotten his swine flu shot a few weeks earlier, but contracted it first. My son and I didn't get ours. I was looking after both of them but I never became sick, thank goodness, not the slightest. For whatever reason (taking precautions, notwithstanding nothing extraordinary), I seemed to be immune to this particular strain.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/16/2014 10:35:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Maybe a number of people have a natural immunity?

The public shouldn't get their hopes up too high and start adopting that "It can't happen to me" type of denial mentality, but this is an interesting possibility. If so, I wonder if it's blood type or some other factor besides an uncompromised immune system.

Not a correlation on being the same form of infectious disease, but a couple of years ago during the swine flu epidemic, both my husband and normally healthy and robust younger son came down with swine flu, where they were terribly sick for over a week. My (then) husband had gotten his swine flu shot a few weeks earlier, but contracted it first. My son and I didn't get ours. I was looking after both of them but I never became sick, thank goodness, not the slightest. For whatever reason (taking precautions, notwithstanding nothing extraordinary), I seemed to be immune to this particular strain.

I wasn't spouting the it can't happen to me theme.
At least not intentionally.
The only way to know for sure if you are immune is if you catch it, this goes for any disease, and then it is too late. Better safe than sorry.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 7:12:22 AM

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I remember PPLs arguing that Obummercare fell under "promote the general welfare".

You claimed it did not and the scotus says it is legal under the taxation clause and not "promote the general welfare" so once again we see a stream of turds being expelled from your mouth.

I'm thinking doing everything within our power to keep a disease from becoming an epidemic (or pandemic) on our shores, falls under the same category (with a lot more wiggle room, to boot).

Are we to take this as your full fleged support of the aca?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 7:24:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I have heard some airports are FINALLY deciding to step up screening for Ebola.

This is a step in the right direction, though I think clearly not enough.

Stepped up Ebola screening at 4 airports

Only 4 airports at this time?

humm okay

Good news! More things will be done, it's good that they are finally taking this more seriously.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 11:09:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I remember PPLs arguing that Obummercare fell under "promote the general welfare".
You claimed it did not and the scotus says it is legal under the taxation clause and not "promote the general welfare" so once again we see a stream of turds being expelled from your mouth.

I'm thinking doing everything within our power to keep a disease from becoming an epidemic (or pandemic) on our shores, falls under the same category (with a lot more wiggle room, to boot).

Are we to take this as your full fleged support of the aca?

They cant embrace the ACA now, since it would make them full of shit! They are the ones that allowed these problems to be created. They supported the politicians to remove the funding that would have created the infrastructure to support the nation during a crisis. They are the ones that watered down the President's original healthcare bill. An....NOW....they are afraid they might contract this terrible illness; serves them right for being total idiots and fools.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 12:19:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Maybe a number of people have a natural immunity?

The public shouldn't get their hopes up too high and start adopting that "It can't happen to me" type of denial mentality, but this is an interesting possibility. If so, I wonder if it's blood type or some other factor besides an uncompromised immune system.

Not a correlation on being the same form of infectious disease, but a couple of years ago during the swine flu epidemic, both my husband and normally healthy and robust younger son came down with swine flu, where they were terribly sick for over a week. My (then) husband had gotten his swine flu shot a few weeks earlier, but contracted it first. My son and I didn't get ours. I was looking after both of them but I never became sick, thank goodness, not the slightest. For whatever reason (taking precautions, notwithstanding nothing extraordinary), I seemed to be immune to this particular strain.

I wasn't spouting the it can't happen to me theme.
At least not intentionally.
The only way to know for sure if you are immune is if you catch it, this goes for any disease, and then it is too late. Better safe than sorry.

Oh, I know that. But then there is always a small minority of us who do, and those who don't take these outbreaks as seriously. I totally agree that it's better to be safe than sorry.

In my case, just because I was spared once does not mean that I have any sort of immunity to anything; whereas somebody else might adopt a foolhardy attitude.

ETA: I also have the sneaking suspicion that it was my husband's swine flu shot that precipitated his catching that particularly wretched strain, as he did have a terminal illness and a compromised immune system at the time.

< Message edited by FieryOpal -- 10/17/2014 12:29:44 PM >

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 12:56:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
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What I'm finding interesting is that 2 of Duncan's nurses have been infected by the virus, but so far, none of the people he was in the apartment with between his ER visits have shown symptoms.

Maybe a number of people have a natural immunity?

The public shouldn't get their hopes up too high and start adopting that "It can't happen to me" type of denial mentality, but this is an interesting possibility. If so, I wonder if it's blood type or some other factor besides an uncompromised immune system.

Not a correlation on being the same form of infectious disease, but a couple of years ago during the swine flu epidemic, both my husband and normally healthy and robust younger son came down with swine flu, where they were terribly sick for over a week. My (then) husband had gotten his swine flu shot a few weeks earlier, but contracted it first. My son and I didn't get ours. I was looking after both of them but I never became sick, thank goodness, not the slightest. For whatever reason (taking precautions, notwithstanding nothing extraordinary), I seemed to be immune to this particular strain.

I wasn't spouting the it can't happen to me theme.
At least not intentionally.
The only way to know for sure if you are immune is if you catch it, this goes for any disease, and then it is too late. Better safe than sorry.

Oh, I know that. But then there is always a small minority of us who do, and those who don't take these outbreaks as seriously. I totally agree that it's better to be safe than sorry.

In my case, just because I was spared once does not mean that I have any sort of immunity to anything; whereas somebody else might adopt a foolhardy attitude.

ETA: I also have the sneaking suspicion that it was my husband's swine flu shot that precipitated his catching that particularly wretched strain, as he did have a terminal illness and a compromised immune system at the time.

I know what you mean, but you should have seen my doctors face when I told him that I was sick because my flu shot worked. He sent several minutes trying to tell me I didn't have the flu, just flu-like symptoms. Then he gave me everything they give you for the flu, except being put on quarters. (I was in the Air Force) Of course we had a guy who they admitted had the flu. They told him to drink lots of liquids, get lots of rest, stay away from other people (so he wouldn't spread it) and to go to work.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 2:20:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I have heard some airports are FINALLY deciding to step up screening for Ebola.

This is a step in the right direction, though I think clearly not enough.

Stepped up Ebola screening at 4 airports

Only 4 airports at this time?

humm okay

The FIVE airports that Obama declared would be screened more intently on OCT 8th (http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p1008-ebola-screening.html)
are
JFK, Newark, Dulles, Atlanta Int and Chicago-O'hare

There are no direct flights into US cities, 94 % of visitors from west africa go thru those five airports.

A republican intends to put forward a bill ensuring to "ban travel between the U.S. and West African countries" (even tho they dont exist) to be brought to "congress" in November,
EG:

Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) announced this week that he intends to introduce new legislation when Congress returns to work on an issue getting lots of attention: Ross bill would “ban travel between the U.S. and West African countries” in order to, in his words, prevent Ebola “from further infiltrating our homeland.”

There’s reason to believe, however, that the Florida Republican announced his proposal before doing his homework. As Igor Bobic noted, Ross appeared on msnbc this morning and ran into a little trouble.
A member of Congress who wants to ban travel from countries afflicted by the Ebola outbreak appeared to be unaware of a key fact – that there are no direct flights between the U.S. and Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone. […]

Since there are no direct flights between the hardest-hit nations and the United States, the Florida Republican was pressed to specifically identify which flights he wanted to impose restrictions on.

“I believe there are some flights,” Ross responded.
There are not. As the New York Times’ Jeremy Peters was quick to remind the congressman, “There are no flights. There are no direct flights that come to the United States from West Africa. That is incorrect.”

As a factual matter, Peters is right. The question is why the congressman doesn’t know that and why he didn’t bother to check before unveiling his legislation.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sponsor-travel-ban-bill-stumped-key-detail

I would watch the c-span tape of yesterdays "hearing" where all the experts were ignored by politicians... it says a lot
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4511657/centers-disease-control-prevention-director-tom-friedens-testimony-ebola-epidemic-response

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 3:43:44 PM

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Good news! More things will be done, it's good that they are finally taking this more seriously.

Even more good news! Obama named a Democrat party hack as his Ebola Czar, rather than a medical expert or anyone else who is semi-qualified.

If he had done anything else, things just wouldnt seem normal.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 3:47:15 PM

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wheres the surgeon general?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 4:18:50 PM

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I hope there's good screening in Seattle and all the other international airports too!

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 4:31:38 PM

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Even more good news! Obama named a Democrat party hack as his Ebola Czar, rather than a medical expert or anyone else who is semi-qualified.

If he had done anything else, things just wouldnt seem normal.

Eh? There are major political impediments to getting this sorted out. You yourself have pointed to some of (what you see as) them. You'd get someone with political clout to deal with such problems, wouldn't you?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 5:37:13 PM

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He has no clout, he is a just another Obama crony. Spreading that taxpayer cash among his elite friends

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 8:14:00 PM

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wheres the surgeon general?

We surely need a surgeon general.
I am not sure why Rob Klain was selected, he certainly does not appear to be the most qualified for the job.
Why not get someone that is an expert in public healthcare, or even a team of public healthcare experts?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/17/2014 10:51:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Good news! More things will be done, it's good that they are finally taking this more seriously.

Even more good news! Obama named a Democrat party hack as his Ebola Czar, rather than a medical expert or anyone else who is semi-qualified.

If he had done anything else, things just wouldnt seem normal.

What was he suppose to do? Hire a Republican/Tea Party flunkie? That party hasn't been all that 'with reality' when its come to healthcare for the last twenty years (and most especially within the last few years). An more likely, there is very little trust given how often Republicans have lied and gone back on their own 'code of honor'.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/18/2014 5:57:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I remember PPLs arguing that Obummercare fell under "promote the general welfare".
You claimed it did not and the scotus says it is legal under the taxation clause and not "promote the general welfare" so once again we see a stream of turds being expelled from your mouth.

I'm thinking doing everything within our power to keep a disease from becoming an epidemic (or pandemic) on our shores, falls under the same category (with a lot more wiggle room, to boot).

Are we to take this as your full fleged support of the aca?

They cant embrace the ACA now, since it would make them full of shit! They are the ones that allowed these problems to be created. They supported the politicians to remove the funding that would have created the infrastructure to support the nation during a crisis. They are the ones that watered down the President's original healthcare bill. An....NOW....they are afraid they might contract this terrible illness; serves them right for being total idiots and fools.

It has fuck all to do with the ACA. Conservatives want less government control, they have never claimed to want no control. But some people need turn any topic into a left vs right bullshit fest so I can understand why it's coming up now. The idea that the right is to blame for this is almost as stupid as the fuckwad who is claiming the white man invented it to do away with the black man.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/18/2014 6:39:18 AM

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What this situation needs is a team of crack health insurance salesmen to fly out to the afflicated countries in West Africa ASAP.

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/18/2014 7:09:39 AM

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I will also point out that airports are not in the constitution, and i looked more than once. Nope, not there, nor the CDC, nor the NIH, nor DHS, nor the Park Service, nor interstate highways, nor passports, nor Ebola.

Looks like a states-rights issue here. I will be introducing a bill in the Minnesota Senate to drop atomic bombs on any state where Ebola infection has occurred, to protect our state from these red welfare states.

I do note with some interest that Gov. Rick Perry is back from vacation and at the helm. Shame on him, these red welfare states Governors do not love America like Obama does, he hasn't went on vacation while red welfare states inserted the plague of this century into America.

Frankly, what really concerns me is our corporations will lose money and that of course is free speech, meaning they lose their freedom if we close off those countries where we do some business. Its sort of like the 'republican/conservative' jobs bill, insuring us jobs (thru hallucination) if we just dump rat poison in our drinking water. Seems to me that Ebola is an acceptable risk to keep fully unfettered Capitalism from being impeded.

How is it a free market if you restrict it?

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RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged cou... - 10/18/2014 7:25:35 AM

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What this situation needs is a team of crack health insurance salesmen to fly out to the afflicated countries in West Africa ASAP.

I can just imagine that!

Income: $100 a month.
Rent: $60 a month.
Food: $30 a month.
Sundries: $8 a month.

Disposable income: $2 a month.
I wonder how much healthcare they would get for that???

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