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hot4bondage -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 7:45:48 AM)

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government. That often doesn't end well for those speaking truth to power.

A few examples of disclosure being used to keep the outsiders outside:

NAACP vs Alabama 1958--Alabama's Attorney General subpoenaed the NAACP's membership records. Apparently the rioters were having trouble finding more houses and churches to burn down. Fortunately, the Supreme Court decided that forced disclosure would have a chilling effect on political speech.

In the early 1990s, term limits were being enacted state-by-state until it was revealed that the movement was largely funded by the Koch brothers. The national conversation quickly turned away from the merits of the issue and toward the motivations and background of the controversial billionaires.

The K Street Project--started by a Republican majority in 1995, and continued by a Democrat majority in 2007, they made a list of the biggest PACs and threatened lobbyists who weren't deemed loyal enough.




Musicmystery -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 8:44:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government.

Bullshit. It's reporting your governmental influence to the people.




DomKen -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 1:46:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government. That often doesn't end well for those speaking truth to power.

No, it means reporting your spending to the public. If you don't want to do so you of course have an option. The days where people have any reasonable fear from reporting their spending are long past.




Sanity -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 3:35:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government.

Bullshit. It's reporting your governmental influence to the people.


Leftists just want to know whose home to firebomb.




Musicmystery -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 7:15:30 PM)

Ah. The local troll.

Come on back if you think of any actual points relevant to the thread.




Sanity -> RE: Interesting Point (10/27/2014 7:39:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ah. The local troll.

Come on back if you think of any actual points relevant to the thread.


Trolling? Hardly. Leftists are violent, hateful thugs and goons. Fuck them, they have no legitimate reason to know who donates what to any given political cause.

Barack Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"













Musicmystery -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 3:33:46 AM)

I stand corrected. The local moron then.

Come on back if you have any actual points addressing the OP.





Sanity -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 5:48:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I stand corrected. The local moron then.

Come on back if you have any actual points addressing the OP.




I am discussing one of the main concerns with forcing people to reveal their political leanings in my posts, a direct tie in with the OP

MM is engaging in kindergarten-level name calling because I disagree with him, and claiming that to be on topic is trolling

This is a perfect example of what leftists do, how they think




mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 6:54:44 AM)

If you are ashamed of your political leanings, you must be a nutsucker. We know that the nutsucker goons and thugs want to hide their country destroying agenda from the American people.




hot4bondage -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 7:22:43 AM)

"This is the most transparent administration in history."--Obama

http://twitchy.com/2014/10/25/most-transparent-administration-a-laugh-line-at-white-house-correspondents-event/




hot4bondage -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 7:35:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government.

Bullshit. It's reporting your governmental influence to the people.


The K Street Project, ad hominem attacks, and arson are acceptable consequences? Bullshit!




mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 7:47:02 AM)

And it is the most transparent administration in history, unless you have mountainous and credible citations of one that has been moreso in history.




hot4bondage -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 7:58:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And it is the most transparent administration in history, unless you have mountainous and credible citations of one that has been moreso in history.



Good one. Is that a punchline from the correspondents' dinner?




mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 8:07:31 AM)

No. I am brilliant as a matter of fact, and upon my own merit. But I see you have jingos, and no credible evidence for your impugnation. Thats why we don't let nutsuckers actually run this country.




Musicmystery -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 4:41:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

You seem to be calling for more credibility and the power to hold people accountable for their actions. That sounds reasonable. I think we can agree that most people are less likely to say or do something misleading if their name is attached. But it's important to remember that what we're talking about is reporting your political activity to the government.

Bullshit. It's reporting your governmental influence to the people.


The K Street Project, ad hominem attacks, and arson are acceptable consequences? Bullshit!

These are examples of people buying influence to choose the government? Bullshit!




CreativeDominant -> RE: Interesting Point (10/28/2014 9:13:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And it is the most transparent administration in history, unless you have mountainous and credible citations of one that has been moreso in history.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/24/no-this-isnt-the-most-transparent-administration-ever-and-the-next-one-will-be-worse/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/10/27/usa-todays-susan-page-obama-administration-most-dangerous-to-media-in-history/

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/28/journalist-obama-administration-restrictive-dangerous-history/

http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/24/most-transparent-administration-ever-som

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/03/17/most-transparent-administration-obama-denies-freedom-of-information-requests-at-record-rates-n1810544

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/30/the_most_transparent_administration_ever%E2%84%A2/




thompsonx -> RE: Interesting Point (10/29/2014 6:20:17 AM)


ORIGINAL: Sanity


Leftists just want to know whose home to firebomb.


The record is quite clear that it is not leftist fire bombing abortion clinics...well except in the minds of right wing assholes.[8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Point (10/29/2014 8:38:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And it is the most transparent administration in history, unless you have mountainous and credible citations of one that has been moreso in history.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/24/no-this-isnt-the-most-transparent-administration-ever-and-the-next-one-will-be-worse/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/10/27/usa-todays-susan-page-obama-administration-most-dangerous-to-media-in-history/

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/28/journalist-obama-administration-restrictive-dangerous-history/

http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/24/most-transparent-administration-ever-som

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/03/17/most-transparent-administration-obama-denies-freedom-of-information-requests-at-record-rates-n1810544

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/30/the_most_transparent_administration_ever%E2%84%A2/


No credible citations of fact there, but much nutsucker blogging and slobbering, in townhall, reason, and daily signal, and the rest are opinionated pieces, without fact or citation.

Grab up a dictionary.

We have yet to have a factual comparison of transparency in the Obama administration, compared to the other presidential administrations in our history.





Musicmystery -> RE: Interesting Point (10/29/2014 11:20:38 AM)

AND it doesn't address the point -- why should anonymous investors be allowed to buy influence in US elections?




mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Point (10/29/2014 12:40:32 PM)

because it should be transparent? We don't know who is shoveling all this influence money into our elections, and it is likely is foreign muslim communist governments out to destroy America.




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