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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I see nothing their that says.specifically,saving the attackers lives...certainly nothing that suggests doing so in preference to the "victim".
I'm calling bullshit on that

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I see nothing their that says.specifically,saving the attackers lives...certainly nothing that suggests doing so in preference to the "victim".
I'm calling bullshit on that

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If having no guns saves just one life. . . because PS and others put saving lives first. . . means that a woman cannot effectively protect herself from rapists and others that would do her harm. Although PS does suggest that all I really need is a knife to protect myself. *eye roll.*

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I do know that FD has repeatedly said that you will go to jail if you kill someone in self defense, and that one of the UK's "reasonable" laws is that there is no such plea as self defense.


fucking box disaster, above is bamaD, below is me. Sorry....

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I don't know what FD has said, right or wrong, and I don't know if you have deliberately or otherwise misrepresented what he said but....

it is important to ensure that all those acting reasonably and in good faith to defend themselves, their family, their property or in the prevention of crime or the apprehension of offenders are not prosecuted for such action.

"Self-defence is available as a defence to crimes committed by use of force. "

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/#Final_Consequences

this is not a politically biased site, it is the CPS, criminal prosecution service, through which every police prosecution has to pass before it goes to court.

Feel free to continue the ill informed arguing

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is possible that he thinks we act like savages.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I see nothing their that says.specifically,saving the attackers lives...certainly nothing that suggests doing so in preference to the "victim".
I'm calling bullshit on that

If having no guns saves just one life. . . because PS and others put saving lives first. . . means that a woman cannot effectively protect herself from rapists and others that would do her harm. Although PS does suggest that all I really need is a knife to protect myself. *eye roll.*

The attackers life is saved. To whose detriment though?

He seems to be operating off the old idea that rape and other crimes against women and children are really just "property crimes."

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4743447

Post 145.

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Some of us put saving lives first.

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Politesub53
Well you wouldnt see it that way, would you Aylee. Some of us put saving lives first.

Read the figures to see if gun laws work or not. You will note that ownership isnt banned outright, just some sensible laws put in place.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is possible that he thinks we act like savages.

I havent said any of you are savages, just some of you, including you, are arseholes. I find it funny that you piss and moan when I comment on your posts that I shouldnt do so, as you claim to have me on "hide", yet you still feel free to comment on my posts.

BitYakin, as ever, is talking bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I see nothing their that says.specifically,saving the attackers lives...certainly nothing that suggests doing so in preference to the "victim".
I'm calling bullshit on that

If having no guns saves just one life. . . because PS and others put saving lives first. . . means that a woman cannot effectively protect herself from rapists and others that would do her harm. Although PS does suggest that all I really need is a knife to protect myself. *eye roll.*

The attackers life is saved. To whose detriment though?

He seems to be operating off the old idea that rape and other crimes against women and children are really just "property crimes."

While you seem to be talking bollocks by claiming stuff I havent even come close to suggesting. Carry on making up the obnoxious claim I am okay with rape and child abuse but it only serves to show you for what you are.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I do know that FD has repeatedly said that you will go to jail if you kill someone in self defense, and that one of the UK's "reasonable" laws is that there is no such plea as self defense.


fucking box disaster, above is bamaD, below is me. Sorry....

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I don't know what FD has said, right or wrong, and I don't know if you have deliberately or otherwise misrepresented what he said but....

it is important to ensure that all those acting reasonably and in good faith to defend themselves, their family, their property or in the prevention of crime or the apprehension of offenders are not prosecuted for such action.

"Self-defence is available as a defence to crimes committed by use of force. "

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/#Final_Consequences

this is not a politically biased site, it is the CPS, criminal prosecution service, through which every police prosecution has to pass before it goes to court.

Feel free to continue the ill informed arguing

Thank you. It would appear from this that his information was wrong, this does not surprise me, it often is.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to deathtothepixies)

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I do know that FD has repeatedly said that you will go to jail if you kill someone in self defense, and that one of the UK's "reasonable" laws is that there is no such plea as self defense.

fucking box disaster, above is bamaD, below is me. Sorry....
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I don't know what FD has said, right or wrong, and I don't know if you have deliberately or otherwise misrepresented what he said but....
it is important to ensure that all those acting reasonably and in good faith to defend themselves, their family, their property or in the prevention of crime or the apprehension of offenders are not prosecuted for such action.
"Self-defence is available as a defence to crimes committed by use of force. "
"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."
"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/#Final_Consequences
this is not a politically biased site, it is the CPS, criminal prosecution service, through which every police prosecution has to pass before it goes to court.
Feel free to continue the ill informed arguing

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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If having no guns saves just one life. . . because PS and others put saving lives first. . . means that a woman cannot effectively protect herself from rapists and others that would do her harm. Although PS does suggest that all I really need is a knife to protect myself. *eye roll.*

Does that pan out in practice, Aylee? It's just that I hear that the 'stereotype rape' of, for instance, being dragged into an alleyway by (a) stranger/s, is relatively rare. Women tend to get raped by men that they know - in situations where they'd not think of having a gun to hand, anyway. Or so I hear.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: stanleyt6969yho


and I think most don't carry but sure have a way to defend themselves at home and protect themselves and their families. The only protection from bad guys with guns is a good guy with a gun.
Australia has taken 40 million guns away from law abiding citizens(which is what our president acclaims) and the crime rate went up 2000% in Australia.

Cite please?

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

here's an IDEA, if someone is misunderstanding what you are saying, MAYBE explain your position rather than just CALL THEM NAMES?

WHAT A CONCEPT

cause I definitely see her point. if not having guns saves lives, and someone is attacked with a knife or club, and the victim has NO GUN, who's live is saved? NOT THE VICTEM'S

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

here's an IDEA, if someone is misunderstanding what you are saying, MAYBE explain your position rather than just CALL THEM NAMES?

WHAT A CONCEPT

cause I definitely see her point. if not having guns saves lives, and someone is attacked with a knife or club, and the victim has NO GUN, who's live is saved? NOT THE VICTEM'S

Here is a better IDEA, read the fucking link. Then you might understand what I was talking about and people might not CALL YOU NAMES.

WHAT A CONCEPT.

FYI my link shows how lives have been saved due to laws being introduced. You can argue with me but you cant argue with facts.