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jlf1961 -> Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:30:40 PM)

I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

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Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:38:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

quote:

Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?

Just like the strict gun controls in the UK jlf.
It doesn't mean they don't have any at all.
It just means that getting them is shitloads harder and you aren't allowed to brandish them in the street or other public places like you do in the US.




SapiosexualSlut -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:39:44 PM)

You do realize that Canadians have access to guns, it's just not the same rules as in the states which is why these sorts of incidences happen less frequently than in the states. These sorts of things happen anywhere that guns are, but the less access to guns the less likely people will shoot a place up. Why is that a difficult concept to grasp?




jlf1961 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:39:51 PM)

And still, some people were able to get guns, storm a government building, and.....




littleladybug -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:40:57 PM)

I spent about 8 years listening to this... "yup, don't hate the US, but that gun SHIT...OMG, how do you EVEN deal with that??"

The gang shootings that have been quite rampant in southern BC.... explained away by a small group of people who get their guns from the US.

This? Don't know...

I heard an interesting comment this morning by a Canadian newswoman who did some time in DC. She said that she was just amazed when she went back to Ottawa and saw the difference in security. Almost like there's not a concept that guns could even be around...

I do absolutely adore my Canadian friends...but dang. Head.out.of.sand.





BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:41:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

quote:

Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?

I also wonder how long it would have taken for a thread to come up if they had been shooting at Congress rather than the Canadian Parliament.




Zonie63 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:41:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

quote:

Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?


I was just reading about this earlier. Wasn't there also something yesterday about two Canadian military personnel run over by someone described as "radicalized"? What's going on in Canada these days?





BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:47:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

quote:

Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?

Just like the strict gun controls in the UK jlf.
It doesn't mean they don't have any at all.
It just means that getting them is shitloads harder and you aren't allowed to brandish them in the street or other public places like you do in the US.


You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S




BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 12:49:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SapiosexualSlut

You do realize that Canadians have access to guns, it's just not the same rules as in the states which is why these sorts of incidences happen less frequently than in the states. These sorts of things happen anywhere that guns are, but the less access to guns the less likely people will shoot a place up. Why is that a difficult concept to grasp?

No guns = Oklahoma City




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:02:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.
And you can get a gun in the US, with or without any checks, easier than I can buy a pint at my local pub.
That was proven by a BBC reporter, a non-US citizen, who got one within an hour without any checks or ID.

Also: "Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle without any background checks"




littleladybug -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:06:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.



Umm...not really.

Completely depends on where you are.

In many places, you cannot show your gun unless you are going to use it. Period. Will lose your license if you do sort of thing.

But then, of course, those who don't live in those places would know better....




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:12:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug
Umm...not really.

Completely depends on where you are.

I guess it does.
But to someone who lives in a country where guns just aren't readily available and most people have never seen a real gun in their lives, it does seem to be an awful lot of places where this sort of thing happens.
Hence the very high number of gun deaths in the US compared to anywhere else.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug
In many places, you cannot show your gun unless you are going to use it. Period. Will lose your license if you do sort of thing.

But then, of course, those who don't live in those places would know better....

You think they would, yes.
But because what few laws you do have are not enforced rigidly enough, how many are unlicensed?
Too many it would seem.




BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:14:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.
And you can get a gun in the US, with or without any checks, easier than I can buy a pint at my local pub.
That was proven by a BBC reporter, a non-US citizen, who got one within an hour without any checks or ID.

Also: "Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle without any background checks"

This entire post is a lie.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:16:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.
And you can get a gun in the US, with or without any checks, easier than I can buy a pint at my local pub.
That was proven by a BBC reporter, a non-US citizen, who got one within an hour without any checks or ID.

Also: "Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle without any background checks"

This entire post is a lie.

Really??
check it out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21712820




DesideriScuri -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:33:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.
And you can get a gun in the US, with or without any checks, easier than I can buy a pint at my local pub.
That was proven by a BBC reporter, a non-US citizen, who got one within an hour without any checks or ID.
Also: "Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle without any background checks"


Not really. You can't "brandish" them in public. There is a huge difference between "open carrying" and "brandishing."

Brandish:
    quote:

    verb...
      : to wave or swing (something, such as a weapon) in a threatening or excited manner
    ...

    transitive verb
      1: to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
      2: to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner


Open carrying isn't brandishing. If you're waving, shaking, or swinging your weapon aggressively, threateningly, menacingly, or in an excited manner, you risk public disturbance charges, at the very least.




BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:35:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You can't "brandish" them in the streets or other public places in the U S

Unless it's a declared and explicitly signed as a "no gun zone", you pretty much can if you have a gun license.
And you can get a gun in the US, with or without any checks, easier than I can buy a pint at my local pub.
That was proven by a BBC reporter, a non-US citizen, who got one within an hour without any checks or ID.
Also: "Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle without any background checks"


Not really. You can't "brandish" them in public. There is a huge difference between "open carrying" and "brandishing."

Brandish:
    quote:

    verb...
      : to wave or swing (something, such as a weapon) in a threatening or excited manner
    ...

    transitive verb
      1: to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
      2: to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner


Open carrying isn't brandishing. If you're waving, shaking, or swinging your weapon aggressively, threateningly, menacingly, or in an excited manner, you risk public disturbance charges, at the very least.

And an even greater difference between concealed carry and brandishing.




littleladybug -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:37:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I guess it does.
But to someone who lives in a country where guns just aren't readily available and most people have never seen a real gun in their lives, it does seem to be an awful lot of places where this sort of thing happens.
Hence the very high number of gun deaths in the US compared to anywhere else.


Well, I suppose to some "one" would be an awful lot of places.


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

But because what few laws you do have are not enforced rigidly enough, how many are unlicensed?
Too many it would seem.



Ok...at the risk of beating my head against a wall...I'll bite on this.

There is a HUGE difference between licensed and unlicensed guns. My response initially was about people in the US in general being able to "brandish" their guns with impugnity. In a great many places, that couldn't be further from the truth.

I can think of 6 states off the top of my head, where you can face some serious trouble if you display a gun without cause. Licensed or not. I know a great many people who have carry permits. (Was actually shocked when I found out exactly how many...but that's the point....this is not what some would view as the "old west" with people pulling out their guns and shooting in the air, just because...).

As I don't associate with people who carry illegal guns, I cannot comment on that issue. But, I know, for a fact, that people who carry legal guns in any place that I've ever lived, cannot simply walk around with it on their waistband in plain sight.

I realize that this may be "frightening" to those who have never seen a real gun in their lives...but I can assure you that a visit to most places in the US will NOT involve you seeing a gun, in any way, shape or form.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:41:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug
As I don't associate with people who carry illegal guns, I cannot comment on that issue. But, I know, for a fact, that people who carry legal guns in any place that I've ever lived, cannot simply walk around with it on their waistband in plain sight.


Ohio is one "Open Carry" State where you don't need a permit specifically to be allowed to openly carry. You do need a specific permit to legally "Concealed Carry," though. You won't find too many people open carrying because it's not a strategically smart thing to do.

[image]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-AC384_openca_G_20140822132909.jpg[/image]




BamaD -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:45:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug
As I don't associate with people who carry illegal guns, I cannot comment on that issue. But, I know, for a fact, that people who carry legal guns in any place that I've ever lived, cannot simply walk around with it on their waistband in plain sight.


Ohio is one "Open Carry" State where you don't need a permit specifically to be allowed to openly carry. You do need a specific permit to legally "Concealed Carry," though. You won't find too many people open carrying because it's not a strategically smart thing to do.

[image]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-AC384_openca_G_20140822132909.jpg[/image]

Same in Alabama with the added factor that if someone like Fd panics you can be charged with disturbing the peace, and that is just for open carry, not "brandishing'




littleladybug -> RE: Canadian gun control... (10/22/2014 1:46:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Ohio is one "Open Carry" State where you don't need a permit specifically to be allowed to openly carry. You do need a specific permit to legally "Concealed Carry," though. You won't find too many people open carrying because it's not a strategically smart thing to do.


Very interesting....

Personally, I've always been around people who have had concealed carry permits, which, now that you mention it, would be the WAY smarter thing to do, when given the choice.




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