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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 3:58:26 PM   
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I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.

So would someone tell me what was used in this incident this morning?

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Canadian soldier, gunman killed as multiple shooters storm Ottawa capital complex

A Canadian soldier was shot dead and one suspect killed as multiple gunmen stormed the Canadian Parliament complex in Ottawa Wednesday morning, spraying as many as 30 shots inside the government building in a brazen assault that left the nation's capital on lockdown just two days after a terror attack in Quebec, officials said.

The shots rang out just before 10 a.m., when a guard at the National War Monument was fatally shot. The gunmen next ran into the Parliament Hill building, where one MP reported hearing as many as 30 shots fired and a sergeant at arms was later credited with shooting one of the gunmen dead. In the following moments and hours, Royal Canadian Mounted Police converged on the scene, more shots were fired less than a mile away near a mall and officials told Ottawa residents to barricade themselves in their homes as they searched for one or more possible gunmen.


or is this the trailer for a new post apocalyptic US invades Canada movie?


I have no idea how this could have happened in a "Gun Free Zone."

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 4:55:36 PM   
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Laws are only followed by the law-abiding. So, gun laws restricting ownership are only going to take guns out of the hands of the law-abiding. That's the point of it.


This argument frequently appears in gun control debates but it is flawed because it presumes that the concept of being "law abiding" is all or nothing. It is not. People may obey most laws but consciously break a few. I drank alcohol before it was legal for me to do so, therefore I cannot be ranked among the law abiding - but it would never occur to me to obtain illegal guns.

Laws that restrict access to guns would not necessarily prevent some individuals, already so inclined, from obtaining illegal guns but that does not mean it would not prevent others from doing so. A reduction in the number of guns around wouldn't eliminate all gun crime but it would reduce gun deaths due to crimes of passion, accidents and by making it less likely that a gun will fall into the hands of a mentally disturbed individual who wants to shoot up the local elementary school.

Thus the argument is essentially a straw man. It misrepresents the argument for a gun ban by demanding perfection from the results - gun laws should prevent all gun crime - and then rejecting the concept because it can't deliver perfection - gun laws don't prevent all gun crime therefore they don't work. But, as far as I know, those who propose additional gun laws don't expect an elimination of gun crime and accidents but a reduction of gun crime and accidents.

Any gun law may be subjected to criticism on practical and/or Constitutional grounds but calling gun laws ineffective because they don't stop everyone from obtaining guns simply doesn't hold up.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:11:00 PM   
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Laws are only followed by the law-abiding. So, gun laws restricting ownership are only going to take guns out of the hands of the law-abiding. That's the point of it.


This argument frequently appears in gun control debates but it is flawed because it presumes that the concept of being "law abiding" is all or nothing. It is not. People may obey most laws but consciously break a few. I drank alcohol before it was legal for me to do so, therefore I cannot be ranked among the law abiding - but it would never occur to me to obtain illegal guns.

Laws that restrict access to guns would not necessarily prevent some individuals, already so inclined, from obtaining illegal guns but that does not mean it would not prevent others from doing so. A reduction in the number of guns around wouldn't eliminate all gun crime but it would reduce gun deaths due to crimes of passion, accidents and by making it less likely that a gun will fall into the hands of a mentally disturbed individual who wants to shoot up the local elementary school.

Thus the argument is essentially a straw man. It misrepresents the argument for a gun ban by demanding perfection from the results - gun laws should prevent all gun crime - and then rejecting the concept because it can't deliver perfection - gun laws don't prevent all gun crime therefore they don't work. But, as far as I know, those who propose additional gun laws don't expect an elimination of gun crime and accidents but a reduction of gun crime and accidents.

Any gun law may be subjected to criticism on practical and/or Constitutional grounds but calling gun laws ineffective because they don't stop everyone from obtaining guns simply doesn't hold up.



But the oft cited reason for more gun laws is "if it prevents just ONE. . . blah blah blah." Which is a poor rate of return for the decrease in the rights/freedoms of everyone else.

Limiting the size of sodas for all MAY prevent one death from obesity but I do not think that is a good enough reason to take away my choice of purchasing a ginormous super size extra sugared soda.

So. . . an additional gun law may save ONE person from a gun death but I do not see it as an equitable trade for the number of other adversely affected.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:13:35 PM   
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gun deaths in Australia may have dropped but the murder rate is virtually unchanged, and you know it.

The topic is for guns - not other sources.
Another strawman diversionary tactic.


Actually, you're using a diversionary tactic. What does it matter if the number of gun crimes drops if the number of crimes overall doesn't? Are crimes using knives somehow "better" than crimes using guns? If you get robbed at gunpoint or at knifepoint, have you not still been robbed?

Reducing crime by one method shouldn't really be the aim, should it? Shouldn't reducing crime, regardless of method, be the aim?




Reducing crime is good - whatever the crime is.

Yes, you'll still have been robbed.
Many are able to tackle someone with a knife.
Not so with a gun to your head - that would mean almost certain death.

Reducing gun crimes is better because gun crimes result in a lot of deaths where other methods you usually manage to survive.


This is where my "trivial point" about DC comes in. They banned guns and all crime, even murder doubled so they were not less likely to die when attacked by someone with a knife, in fact the increase in murder came specifically from the increase in murder by the "less lethal" weapons like knives. The only difference was that people had less ability to defend themselves so the criminals were emboldened. Could also be that they actually were stupid enough to think that it was good tactics to tackle someone with a knife.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:17:41 PM   
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Well you wouldnt see it that way, would you Aylee. Some of us put saving lives first.

Read the figures to see if gun laws work or not. You will note that ownership isnt banned outright, just some sensible laws put in place.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:20:59 PM   
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This is where my "trivial point" about DC comes in. They banned guns and all crime, even murder doubled so they were not less likely to die when attacked by someone with a knife, in fact the increase in murder came specifically from the increase in murder by the "less lethal" weapons like knives. The only difference was that people had less ability to defend themselves so the criminals were emboldened. Could also be that they actually were stupid enough to think that it was good tactics to tackle someone with a knife.


Look. . . it is because they do not like women. At five foot two and a buck fifteen, how do you think that it will end if I try to "tackle the guy with the gun?"

Or maybe I should outrun them?

Now if I had a gun. . . I could protect myself.

They do not seem to understand that I would prefer the wanna be rapist, child snatcher, robber, whatever be dead and I be just fine.

But that is not their goal. Women that cannot protect themselves are much easier to control through fear.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:30:12 PM   
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This is where my "trivial point" about DC comes in. They banned guns and all crime, even murder doubled so they were not less likely to die when attacked by someone with a knife, in fact the increase in murder came specifically from the increase in murder by the "less lethal" weapons like knives. The only difference was that people had less ability to defend themselves so the criminals were emboldened. Could also be that they actually were stupid enough to think that it was good tactics to tackle someone with a knife.


Look. . . it is because they do not like women. At five foot two and a buck fifteen, how do you think that it will end if I try to "tackle the guy with the gun?"

Or maybe I should outrun them?

Now if I had a gun. . . I could protect myself.

They do not seem to understand that I would prefer the wanna be rapist, child snatcher, robber, whatever be dead and I be just fine.

But that is not their goal. Women that cannot protect themselves are much easier to control through fear.

Any unarmed population is easier to control.
That said the real war on women is things like this that make them more dependent on government.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 5:39:28 PM   
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Laws are only followed by the law-abiding. So, gun laws restricting ownership are only going to take guns out of the hands of the law-abiding. That's the point of it.

This argument frequently appears in gun control debates but it is flawed because it presumes that the concept of being "law abiding" is all or nothing. It is not. People may obey most laws but consciously break a few. I drank alcohol before it was legal for me to do so, therefore I cannot be ranked among the law abiding - but it would never occur to me to obtain illegal guns.
Laws that restrict access to guns would not necessarily prevent some individuals, already so inclined, from obtaining illegal guns but that does not mean it would not prevent others from doing so. A reduction in the number of guns around wouldn't eliminate all gun crime but it would reduce gun deaths due to crimes of passion, accidents and by making it less likely that a gun will fall into the hands of a mentally disturbed individual who wants to shoot up the local elementary school.
Thus the argument is essentially a straw man. It misrepresents the argument for a gun ban by demanding perfection from the results - gun laws should prevent all gun crime - and then rejecting the concept because it can't deliver perfection - gun laws don't prevent all gun crime therefore they don't work. But, as far as I know, those who propose additional gun laws don't expect an elimination of gun crime and accidents but a reduction of gun crime and accidents.
Any gun law may be subjected to criticism on practical and/or Constitutional grounds but calling gun laws ineffective because they don't stop everyone from obtaining guns simply doesn't hold up.


Marc, speeding (breaking the speed limit laws) or drinking before you are of legal age doesn't make a whit of difference as to whether or not you're a law-abiding citizen as it pertains to gun laws, FFS.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 6:09:57 PM   
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Marc, speeding (breaking the speed limit laws) or drinking before you are of legal age doesn't make a whit of difference as to whether or not you're a law-abiding citizen as it pertains to gun laws, FFS.


Precisely my point!

(I'll see your FFS and raise you a JESUS FUCKING H. CHRIST!)

So why argue that gun laws won't stop the "law abiding" when it doesn't matter? The question should not be: Will guns laws prevent all (or even most) gun crime? The proper question remains: Will gun laws reduce the number of gun deaths? As far as I'm concerned, the question remains open to debate. What does not remain open to debate for me is whether the notion that people who will not obey gun laws invalidates the very concept of gun laws. Would you apply the concept to any other laws? Should we not bother with speed limits or underage drinking laws because people will speed and minors will drink anyway?



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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 6:10:55 PM   
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The shooter had been trying to go to Syria.
That would seem to make this another case of terrorism.
For the dense among you that makes gun control irrelevant.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 6:50:10 PM   
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Marc, speeding (breaking the speed limit laws) or drinking before you are of legal age doesn't make a whit of difference as to whether or not you're a law-abiding citizen as it pertains to gun laws, FFS.

Precisely my point!
(I'll see your FFS and raise you a JESUS FUCKING H. CHRIST!)
So why argue that gun laws won't stop the "law abiding" when it doesn't matter? The question should not be: Will guns laws prevent all (or even most) gun crime? The proper question remains: Will gun laws reduce the number of gun deaths? As far as I'm concerned, the question remains open to debate. What does not remain open to debate for me is whether the notion that people who will not obey gun laws invalidates the very concept of gun laws. Would you apply the concept to any other laws? Should we not bother with speed limits or underage drinking laws because people will speed and minors will drink anyway?


I'm calling! lol

My point is that those who aren't abiding by the current gun laws aren't likely to abide by the next one(s) passed. The only people who are going to be impacted by more gun laws are the ones who are abiding by the gun laws. I didn't mean abiding by every law when I said "law abiding." I meant those that are abiding gun laws.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 7:32:45 PM   
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Marc, speeding (breaking the speed limit laws) or drinking before you are of legal age doesn't make a whit of difference as to whether or not you're a law-abiding citizen as it pertains to gun laws, FFS.


Precisely my point!

(I'll see your FFS and raise you a JESUS FUCKING H. CHRIST!)

So why argue that gun laws won't stop the "law abiding" when it doesn't matter? The question should not be: Will guns laws prevent all (or even most) gun crime? The proper question remains: Will gun laws reduce the number of gun deaths? As far as I'm concerned, the question remains open to debate. What does not remain open to debate for me is whether the notion that people who will not obey gun laws invalidates the very concept of gun laws. Would you apply the concept to any other laws? Should we not bother with speed limits or underage drinking laws because people will speed and minors will drink anyway?




I get your point as it pertains to criminals not obeying the law however it goes far beyond that. If *people* include the so called law abiding along with the criminals then it would likely invalidate the concept of certain proposals that seem to be constantly bandied about, particularly bans on so called assault weapons. I think the noncompliance rate amoung so called law abiding citizens with some of these proposals would go into the tens of millions and create a black market rivaled only by the drug black market. Creating tens of millions of new criminals with the stroke of a pen would pretty much invalidate the concept of some of these gun laws on FD's wish list and thus answers your question. Gun laws, or at least some of them that are being proposed, will not reduce gun violence but exacerbate it.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 8:31:03 PM   
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Well you wouldnt see it that way, would you Aylee. Some of us put saving lives first.

Read the figures to see if gun laws work or not. You will note that ownership isnt banned outright, just some sensible laws put in place.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1


Ah yes. The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled by her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

Can you imagine the difference it could of made if the mother's and father's or even the girls themselves in Rotherham had had access to firearm?

Oh wait. That might actually take a life. Rape is just a property crime, after all.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 9:13:04 PM   
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Are you sure you live in singapore? Singapore is not a democracy it is a republic. The u.k. is a constitutional monarchy not a republic. The ruling party in singapore has been in power since singapore became independent how can that be?

The ruling party were in power because we voted them in. I love our ruling party, and so does many Singaporeans. Only the loud minority who are bitching about them on the internet because they are selfish people who cannot see big pictures and want individual benefits that will not benefit the country as a whole, but when it comes to votes, the votes does not lie. Every year, they are my choice for the vote. We are almost crime-free, safe, clean, jobless rate at 2%, 70% own their homes, poverty is almost non-existence, our government budget is 300 billions in surplus, debt free, and low income tax. They are probably one of the better government of the world who did most things right. I don't envy USA for their government at all, or Europe. I am happy with most things around here. The only thing I do not like is lack of freedom of speech and expression, but such small sacrifices are worth in exchange for not having the terrible poverty that exists in the US. And also for reasonable reasons, especially back in the days where most were uneducated and wrong words could incite racial riots and internal strife. When you are poor in Singapore, it means, you still have airconditioning, TV, Computer, roof , cellphones, and have to take public transport to work. When you are rich, it means, you drive fancy cars and live in fancy house. Poor people gets to rent homes as low as $24 a month. All this from a zero natural resource country, where our only resource are our people. Yet can make enough jobs for everybody. We are so tiny, 6 million people in a place where it would just take 2 hours to drive the circumference of the whole country.

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There seems to be plenty of evidence that the ruling party has kept power by less than ethical means. How can you live there and not know the form of government,why chewing gum was banned, why the ban was partially lifted under pressure from the wrigley chewing gum punks via bush senior?

Chewing gum was never banned, selling of gum is banned. What evidence do you speak of? PAP was voted in to power even before independence. They were voted in, they ran elections and were voted in. They didn't like slaughter a bunch of people to make themselves rulers of Singapore and tell people obey them or die. And it was our ruling party who secured our independence from the British.

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Not in great britian nor in singapore does democracy exist...not then,not now, and possibly not ever.

Okay, so you are saying UK is run by dictatorship. If you think UK is run by dictatorship, then I guess Singapore is run by dictatorship too. There ya go. Depends on your definition. Will any British citizens clarify this? British people believe they are a dictator-runned country?

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The reason the law was put into force was that young punks would use chewing gum to obscure the sensing mechanism that opened and closed the doors on the new metro trains. The other issues of littering had existed for years without any ban on chewing gum. But when the new metro system was shut down by the vandals with chewing gum the govt took action. It was a "money" decission.

Still littering, just that years ago, they didn't have trains to litter in. PAP had a good plan, and things had to be implemented in segments. I can't see how this is a money decision. Who wants public transport efficiency to be delayed over gum? No commuters will be happy if they are late for work. It's just common sense and having the guts to implement something so radical and be the butt of jokes around the world.

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Singapore is an island the last time I checked and about half the size of los angeles.

Which does not change the point that we can secure our borders, it's impossible for the bad guys to get hold of any guns in Singapore, unless they rob a policeman, and USA has not found a solution to secure theirs. That's just a matter of fact. All, nowadays, all our gun deaths seem to be policemen using their guns to commit suicide in public toilets, shooting their own heads. Gambling addiction and debt.

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Logically the "bad guys" would rely on the simple math that something like 99% do not c/c.

Well, I highly doubt the numbers of non-gun ownership is 99%. But as you say, I don't live there, and the very few US friends I have that I visited there all own guns.


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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 9:30:50 PM   
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http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Australia is a country that I frequent, and I think their gun control is appalling. The bad guys, the gangs all have easy access to guns!
When I studied there in Adelaide, I lived in an area where I keep hearing helicoptors and gun shots from a distance almost every night. It was frightening.
But like in the US, if you don't wanna be caught in a gun fight, you just stay out of those bad areas. But I would definitely prefer to have a gun if I for any reason had to wander into those zones.
I wish their statistic should count the number of people injured by bullets in those countries, would bring figures up, and not count the number of homicides.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 10:30:23 PM   
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idusl2834893820070828

90 guns per 100 citizens in the US, don't think it's only 1% gun ownership. But only 12% is thought to be registered, the rest own guns illegally.

US can't regulate anything properly! I'd keep a gun if I was there.

For me, it's about faith in your government.

In my country, I trust our authorities to keep guns away from bad people. And they have been doing a good job so far. I do not have the same faith in the US government. But maybe some of you have more faith in them than I do to make US truly gun-free.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/23/2014 10:55:51 PM   
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idusl2834893820070828

90 guns per 100 citizens in the US, don't think it's only 1% gun ownership. But only 12% is thought to be registered, the rest own guns illegally.

US can't regulate anything properly! I'd keep a gun if I was there.

For me, it's about faith in your government.

In my country, I trust our authorities to keep guns away from bad people. And they have been doing a good job so far. I do not have the same faith in the US government. But maybe some of you have more faith in them than I do to make US truly gun-free.

My state doesn't register firearms, unless you want the sheriff to have a list of your guns in case they are stolen. All of my firearms were obtained legally, and all purchases after background checks came into being were checked against that system. Thus the 12% figure is misleading.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/24/2014 12:27:07 AM   
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I brought that up because, gasp, I felt it was actually germane to the initial post....which was about shootings in Canada, not about American gun laws.



The first line of the initial post says;
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I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.



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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/24/2014 1:25:18 AM   
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Not in great britian nor in singapore does democracy exist...not then,not now, and possibly not ever.


You're claiming that democracy does not exist in the UK or Singapore?

Gosh. That seems like a rather stupid thing to say.

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RE: Canadian gun control... - 10/24/2014 8:25:59 AM   
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I have seen many Canadians condemn the access to firearms in the US.


Yes, I did see that. And, I also did see the title of the thread, which was "Canadian gun control". But, many thanks for the clarification...

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