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My point is that those who aren't abiding by the current gun laws aren't likely to abide by the next one(s) passed. The only people who are going to be impacted by more gun laws are the ones who are abiding by the gun laws. I didn't mean abiding by every law when I said "law abiding." I meant those that are abiding gun laws.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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My point is that those who aren't abiding by the current gun laws aren't likely to abide by the next one(s) passed. The only people who are going to be impacted by more gun laws are the ones who are abiding by the gun laws. I didn't mean abiding by every law when I said "law abiding." I meant those that are abiding gun laws.

Not necessarily. Yeah, sure, the gun hard core gangster who buys his illegal guns a dozen at a time might not care but the guy interested in only one gun might.

Then again maybe it might make some of the more hardens people think twice. Let's say that in jurisdiction X the penalty for smuggling illegal gins is five years. Then the law is changed to make it twenty years ( a new gun law doesn't necessarily have to be a new ban). That might make some think twice about the risk/reward factor. The point continues to remain that it is not an all or nothing factor and failure to achieve perfection is never a reason to not bother with the good.

Also, the more important point remains whether or not gun deaths, not necessarily all gun crime, is reduced.

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So, here's the conclusion base on stats: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

UK Murder Rate per 1 million people - 11.68
USA Murder Rate per 1 million people - 42.01
UK total Crimes - 109.96 per 1000 people
USA total Crimes - 41.29 per 1000 people

US has more murders than UK. But UK has significantly more over all crime.

There is also more robbery in UK than US. I believe this is due to lack of guns that empowers people. Guns do act as some kind of deterrant for crimes like these. Like if a robber knows you have a gun, would they rob you, or go rob someone else gunless? Even if they have guns.

I rather be instantly shot to death than have to deal with multiple robberies constantly. So, still, pro-gun for US.

42 murders per 1 million people is still quite good for a gun country. Quite minimum. Of course I guess murder rate could possibly be higher because spraying bullets can kill more people than using knives in the same short time.

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Well you wouldnt see it that way, would you Aylee. Some of us put saving lives first.

Read the figures to see if gun laws work or not. You will note that ownership isnt banned outright, just some sensible laws put in place.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Ah yes. The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled by her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

Can you imagine the difference it could of made if the mother's and father's or even the girls themselves in Rotherham had had access to firearm?

Oh wait. That might actually take a life. Rape is just a property crime, after all.

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For once I agree with you. They are not your problem. Yet so many folks over there still feel the need to spend hours and hours arguing over what our gun laws should say.

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For once I agree with you. They are not your problem. Yet so many folks over there still feel the need to spend hours and hours arguing over what our gun laws should say.

Why do certain people throw that line out as though it's a trump argument?

Many of us tend to have opinions about how people are treated in other countries. This is because our feelings as to what we think is right and wrong transcend national borders. Thus, for instance, lots of people here - Americans and non-Americans alike - care about the deaths from diseases in Africa, or by government thugs in Zimbabwe, or by pirates on the high seas.

Why should we make an exception for the USA? Are you really saying that we shouldn't care about Americans who get shot and killed, THB, because such Americans should be unimportant to us here in other countries?

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Well you wouldnt see it that way, would you Aylee. Some of us put saving lives first.

Read the figures to see if gun laws work or not. You will note that ownership isnt banned outright, just some sensible laws put in place.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Ah yes. The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled by her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

Can you imagine the difference it could of made if the mother's and father's or even the girls themselves in Rotherham had had access to firearm?

Oh wait. That might actually take a life. Rape is just a property crime, after all.

Now you are trying to put words in my mouth. I never mentioned rape, not once. The only theory I have is that yet again you are talking shit. As for mentioning Rotherham, thats some fucking lowpoint, even for you. Let me point something out though, any father could have killed his daughters abuser, any woman with a knife could have defended herself. You continually suggest the only solution is to flood the streets with guns, some of us are more enlightened.

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Can you imagine the difference it could of made if the mother's and father's or even the girls themselves in Rotherham had had access to firearm?

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So, here's the conclusion base on stats: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

UK Murder Rate per 1 million people - 11.68
USA Murder Rate per 1 million people - 42.01
UK total Crimes - 109.96 per 1000 people
USA total Crimes - 41.29 per 1000 people

US has more murders than UK. But UK has significantly more over all crime.

There is also more robbery in UK than US. I believe this is due to lack of guns that empowers people. Guns do act as some kind of deterrant for crimes like these. Like if a robber knows you have a gun, would they rob you, or go rob someone else gunless? Even if they have guns.

I rather be instantly shot to death than have to deal with multiple robberies constantly. So, still, pro-gun for US.

42 murders per 1 million people is still quite good for a gun country. Quite minimum. Of course I guess murder rate could possibly be higher because spraying bullets can kill more people than using knives in the same short time.

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You continually suggest the only solution is to flood the streets with guns, some of us are more enlightened.

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You continually suggest the only solution is to flood the streets with guns, some of us are more enlightened.

Well if that is true then you should have no problems linking a post where she suggested the answer is to flood the streets with guns. Otherwise we are going to have to assume you are just talking out of your ass again.

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You continually suggest the only solution is to flood the streets with guns, some of us are more enlightened.

Well if that is true then you should have no problems linking a post where she suggested the answer is to flood the streets with guns. Otherwise we are going to have to assume you are just talking out of your ass again.

Unlike you, I am bright enough to know what the fuck I am talking about.

Do you really think arming everyone in the UK wouldnt be flooding the streets with guns, because Aylee suggested the Rotherham case would be different if everyone had access to firearms. I know you are just trolling like usual, like you normally fucking do, but I felt the need to ask all the same.

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So once again you make a claim that someone said something yet can't seem to find a link to back up your bullshit.

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So once again you make a claim that someone said something yet can't seem to find a link to back up your bullshit.

Only in your mind you stupid cow.

If you cant read a simple sentence without understanding nuances, maybe you should go back to grade school. You didnt even manage to do it in the simple post I presented. If you wish to go down the childish route of pedantics, thats your fucking problem and not mine.

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You are the one making claims and then failing to back them up. Throwing out childish insults isn't going to change that but it seems to be all you have.

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laughable that you moan about insults, given your posting history.

Well in all fairness, she's never called you a "stupid cow." [:)]

K.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
You continually suggest the only solution is to flood the streets with guns, some of us are more enlightened.

Well if that is true then you should have no problems linking a post where she suggested the answer is to flood the streets with guns. Otherwise we are going to have to assume you are just talking out of your ass again.

Unlike you, I am bright enough to know what the fuck I am talking about.
Do you really think arming everyone in the UK wouldnt be flooding the streets with guns, because Aylee suggested the Rotherham case would be different if everyone had access to firearms. I know you are just trolling like usual, like you normally fucking do, but I felt the need to ask all the same.