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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 12:05:45 PM   
HeartAndSoul31


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Friends of mine used acupuncture, the patch, Wellbutrin and cold turkey.

You have to want to stop and deal with it.

Caning may interest you but it's not a cure.


I don't know, I mean if someone caned you in the mouth, it could stop the desire to smoke for awhile don't ya think? Ha. Totally not a good idea JUST KIDDING.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 12:17:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL @ at ExiledTyrant. It's okay. Verbal abuse has its merits as a form of caning. LOL. I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW, AND I HAVE NOT PICKED UP A CIGARETTE ALTHOUGH I WANT ONE SO BAD.


Wow! Fourth-four years. Congratulations. Ironically, I was hospitalize for the same ten days. Three of which I initially served unconciousness. I actually stopped smoking for three years. My struggle is of a domestic nature, and I went right back to this cigarette demon. Actually, I can't stand the smell of its smoke, so I smoke outside. It has been somewhat of a deterrent to today's withdrawal predicament. Thank you for your words. I receive them with loving acceptance. Yet I still smoke.

Acupuntutre comes up again several times and I thank all the commentators for this methodology.

I wonder if this acupuncture can also cure my BDSM porn addiction. To: queening; strap-on Domme; pegging; and canings of males. So far, I'd rather watch than play -like watching sports for me. I fear that one of these addictions are going to effect my quality of life or cause lethal consequences eventually. I smile.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 12:18:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		HeartAndSoul31 I am such an impressionable person. You have my wheels turning. LOL

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 12:25:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Blood clots forming in your arms and legs? I doubt anyone in their right mind would touch your flesh with a cane.

The problem I see is, you are an alcoholic and when you drink, your worries about smoking related illnesses (sounds like you already have one) don't seem so bad. Tackling both the alcohol abuse and smoking I imagine would be really tough but your drinking is going to make giving up cigarettes so much tougher.

Have you tried those electronic cigarettes?

Studies have shown that its definitely easier to give up rollies than straights but make sure the tobacco you are rolling is pure tobacco. A lot of commercial tobacco has additives in it.

I gave up 12 years ago after having hypnosis. I had one session and never desired a cigarette again. My husband smoked when I met him and reluctantly agreed to see the same hypnotist. He's been smoke free for 7 years now. I know a lot of people who have given up from hypnosis. It can be expensive but its a lot cheaper than smoking.



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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 1:04:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to quit cold turkey and that same day hit the gym because you need habits that will not only mentally but physically deter you from smoking. Running is a better habit to have and I guarantee you'll hate smoking after giving it a go. Also your organs have been put under immense stress from both smoking and drinking. Getting your system clean will tke a few months with vigorous exercise. Be aware of your body's limits. 24 hours after quitting, your chances of heart disease cut in half.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 1:10:36 PM   
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Acupuncture. Worth looking into.

I like caning for more reasons than nicotine withdrawal. LOL. OH the other problem, I am a bonafide alcoholic. In fact, I'm drinking as we speak. I feel the blood clots forming in my legs and arms again. Alcohol and meds, yet my blood still thickens. I'm okay though. I must get my mind off of these addictions though. I have actually been in this lifestyle since 2007 at least on different message boards. I assure my inclination to watch canines is older than my recent medical condition. Great advice though. The question is do I have the will.

I have always believed in the power of Epsom salt and listerine as that magic bullet for all that ails you. Now to find an actual bath tub in this contemporary setting of NYC. GothAm City revival.


OK, this means you are on blood thinners, meaning Cumadin, and getting PT/INR to monitor your clots, and you are still smoking AND drinking. You need to quit or you will have a stroke despite being able to easily bleed from the blood thinners. Another risk during high intensity caning, a TON of blood due to the Cumadin or generic blood thinner.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 2:16:29 PM   
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I am at my wits end!

Now a medical complication has arisen that behooves me to stop smoking cigarettes. I have a patch on and an e -cigarette, and yet the rigors of addiction still plague me. I have suicidal ideations, but I don't want to go like this. This is a slow death with days on end of discomfort.

Recently, a topic surfaced about the medicinal use of pain to fight addictions. Any thoughts? Specifically, I have watched canings and they seemingly are quite effective to correct behaviors. I come from a childhood of strict disciplinarian parents.

All other comments on more suitable means of ending my smoking addiction are welcomed. I hear of electric shock therapy (but this not prescribed for smokers), hypnotist and natural alternatives. I know you can make a tonic of tobacco to ingest, but I have not found any definitive regulation on the amounts of the tincture to be used. Tobacco tinctures are very lethal if not prepared properly.

You have all shared so much great advice on the BDSM COMMUNITY. I know there are naysayers out there, but does anyone have any progressive thoughts on corporal punishment for addictive behaviors. All responses are welcomed though. Thank you.


You can try everything you want to, but it won't do fuckall for your desire to want to stop and stay stopped. From what you describe, you are going to die a shitty death, if that is what you want, keep going just like you are, if that is not what you want, then you better have an epiphany soon.

If you read the caning/addiction thread, then you have likely read my replies to it so I will just give you the Readers Digest version. The only way I have found to deal with addiction and have any success with it is to quit cold turkey. I was a hardcore alcoholic and when I quit drinking, I put the bottle down and never once looked back. I probably should have been hospitalized when I quit because quitting cold turkey like that with booze in particular can be dangerous, but like I said, I was hardcore so it may not apply to you.

You have to want to quit. Your desire to cease your addictions is what is going to fuel your recovery and keep you going. Quitting addiction is as simple as a choice, recovery is where the work begins. You are staring death in the face, and I would strongly suggest to you, since you are suicidal, that you are trying to kill yourself through your addiction. Look long and hard at what I just said because I know my drinking was a suicide attempt, at least in its later stages it was. Suicidal ideations are serious problems and you are reaching out for help here, so I would strongly advise that you seek help in real life. If you can do so, go to your local hospital emergency room and tell them about your suicidal thoughts. If you want to live then you need to start there.

You have to choose between life or death, it is that simple. I had the same choice to make and although my world was crumbling around me, in spite of that, I chose to live. I went through hell my first two years of sobriety, my divorce was a nightmare, I suffered a breakdown, I lost everything I owned and was homeless for awhile, and yet, I stayed sober because I made the choice to live. I reached out and got help for my psychiatric problems and I worked extremely hard on my recovery... because I chose to live. If you choose to live then that is really all you need as motivation to conquer your addictions, because at that point you will be willing to do whatever it takes to remain alive, beating your addictions should be at the top of that list along with addressing your psychiatric problems.

Whatever you decide is up to you obviously. I am sincerely rooting for you to make the choice to live. If you do, put everything you have into your own survival and remember why you needed to stop in the first place. Best wishes to you.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 2:21:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Russians researchers have found that pain can reduce depression for up to two weeks.

On a more traditional note, Chantix has worked for several people I know. Hypnotherapy is another option.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 2:47:56 PM   
starkem


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Status: offline 		Caning in the mouth. Genius!

Spot Goddess Manko and Guage! I have been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and hospitalized for a bi lateral pulmonary embolism from blood clots in my legs that travel to my heart. I thought it was a heart attack. The doc said I had everything except a heart attack. There is very liattle oxygen in my blood. My heart is pumping at 35%. I have to remain active each day but avoid vigorous activity.

I keep my sense of humor. I write about and disclose my medical condition in a joking way as therapy. I need better coping skills. I dance with death frequently. I want to win and stay alive, I just keep fucking up. I laugh to laugh at that. Trust me, I do take it serious. Thanks for the encouraging words. I will take them to heart. I am being seen by many doctors. I prefer natural healing, but nothing prepared me for this event even though I eat and treat with healthy stuff. Ironically, it is my love of eating green vegetables (vitman K source) that has perpetuated the condition resistant to my blood thinning.

:)

Now back to this caning obsession. I think the magic is in the woosh sound and the pop sound as it contacts the flesh. Ah...like the sound of music. It is very arousing.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 2:50:21 PM   
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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 3:11:30 PM   
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Caning in the mouth. Genius!

Spot Goddess Manko and Guage! I have been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and hospitalized for a bi lateral pulmonary embolism from blood clots in my legs that travel to my heart. I thought it was a heart attack. The doc said I had everything except a heart attack. There is very liattle oxygen in my blood. My heart is pumping at 35%. I have to remain active each day but avoid vigorous activity.

I keep my sense of humor. I write about and disclose my medical condition in a joking way as therapy. I need better coping skills. I dance with death frequently. I want to win and stay alive, I just keep fucking up. I laugh to laugh at that. Trust me, I do take it serious. Thanks for the encouraging words. I will take them to heart. I am being seen by many doctors. I prefer natural healing, but nothing prepared me for this event even though I eat and treat with healthy stuff. Ironically, it is my love of eating green vegetables (vitman K source) that has perpetuated the condition resistant to my blood thinning.

:)

Now back to this caning obsession. I think the magic is in the woosh sound and the pop sound as it contacts the flesh. Ah...like the sound of music. It is very arousing.


We have spoken directly, you seem like a nice enough guy wading through this crazy thing we call life. Gauge gave you the best advice I have ever seen on these forums. I used to smoke for years. I replaced it with exercise. Like he said at some point you have to decide if you want to live or die but if you want to go out with a bang and laughing at life, go for it. We were trying to help you with your addiction problem, not your caning obsession. And it wasn't green vegetables that caused your clots, it was smoking, just like it is the alcohol doing damage to your liver.
We all hit the dirt sometime, I'm not here to tell you one way is better than the other but you decide your quality and longevity of life. Laughing is fine, but not about things like "suicidal thoughts". Like MariaB said, try hypnosis if you genuinely want to quit.
Alternatively you seem to want to catalyze the ongoing problem by having a "remedy" for deterrence through caning. Mo power to ya.
PS. Gauge that was truly inspiring, thanks for sharing. Inspiration helps me wade through thoughts and decisions. Appreciated.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 3:29:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've tried quitting cigarettes a few time's in the last few month's. It's not an easy habit to quit. I quit drinking alcohol 2 and a half years ago. Nicotine may very well be the most addicting substance on the face of this planet. I think some form of Nicotine replacement therapy has its purpose to a degree. At least to get over the urges in the beginning. The reason cigarettes are so powerful is because they release the nicotine quickly, while the patch and the gum take alittle longer to get the nicotine to the brain. There's also the mental aspect to cigarettes as well. I can say trying to quit cigarettes is far tougher than I first thought. I've seen a lot of people use those e-cigs, which may help as long as one is not using too much nicotine. As for Chantix, I've tried that too. The side effects can be a bit much but Chantix can actually block the "pleasure" one get from nicotine. I don't think there is a "one size fits all" approach to quitting any addiction. Finding what works best for each person is the key. I sadly still smoke but I am not giving up. I am still finding what works best for me. I will say for me, the best method has been nicotine gum until well, I run out of the gum. Maybe I'll try acupuncture. I am still young enough to fight this before the damage gets much worse. I quit drinking alcohol, I can quit this. Learning from past efforts is key.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 4:00:47 PM   
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I don't think there is a "one size fits all" approach to quitting any addiction.



The best one is the one that works for you.

I will say that some of the principle attitudes of addiction recovery are fairly universal.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 4:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard that the average amount of "tries" to quit smoking is between 6 and 8. From what I've witnessed personally, that does seem about right.

You're right Charles-- the key is learning what works for you and also learning from past "failures". (I use "failures" in quotes because I don't believe that any time spent away from an addiction before a relapse is wasted, if one is wise enough to use it as a learning experience.)


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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 5:09:25 PM   
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I smoked for 44 years. I stopped in January after a 10 day stint in the hospital. Simply put them down. you can't do that? guess you'll die a slow death then won't you. pick out a nice casket and a favorite person to deliver your eulogy. Here lies the dumbass who couldn't stop smoking to save his ass

Anyone who was enough of a dumbfuck to smoke for 44 years is in no position to call someone else a dumbass.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 5:25:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		GoddessManko, I appreciate you. It's 8:00 PM of the second day without tobacco. I have puffed on this e-cig twice today (only 3 puffs at a time). I haven't taken another drink today. I hope I can make it. I'm trying.

I dare say you are so right Charles. It's a very menacing addiction and habit. It's so easily accessible too. It doesn't have a legal repercussion associated with its usage. I see trouble. I am hoping your addiction goes into remission.

I have to take on the principle attitude of addiction recovery and honor it.

And any day without a relapse is a good day. Agreed.

I'll have to check with the doctor during the next follow up visit about exercising. Any exertion right now (other than walking) is rapidly depleteing my blood of oxygen. That's not normal. There are too many bad things that can transpire health wise if that happens. Yesterday, I helped a neighbor lift a cellar door cover and I quickly lost my breath and had to sit down. Hence, it prompted me to take another effort at quitting smoking.

One minute you're trying to enjoy life and in the twinkling of an eye you develop a life threatening illness that dictates that you need a lifestyle change. Oh boy!

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 5:27:19 PM   
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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 5:33:30 PM   
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Anyone who was enough of a dumbfuck to smoke for 44 years is in no position to call someone else a dumbass.


I have yet to see any addiction where there is such a high percentage of ex-users who are intolerable to be around. Unfortunately, that comment is typical of many ex-smokers, and any rebuttal to it is simply a waste of breath (no pun intended).

I've been around addiction and recovery long enough to know that making someone feel like shit about what they're doing is generally *not* going to be an impetus for them to stop.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 5:42:42 PM   
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I have yet to see any addiction where there is such a high percentage of ex-users who are intolerable to be around. Unfortunately, that comment is typical of many ex-smokers, and any rebuttal to it is simply a waste of breath (no pun intended).

I don't think being an ex-smoker is his problem. He seems to be like that in most of his posts.

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RE: Caning and smoking addiction - 10/28/2014 6:45:47 PM   
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I hope I can make it. I'm trying.



Wrong attitude. You can make it and you are doing it.

Look, the adage "One Day At A Time" is so true and vital in recovery. The way it was explained to me was simply, stay sober for one minute, then stay sober for another minute, soon you will have stayed sober for one full hour, and so on. You haven't taken a drink today, when you wake up tomorrow, make the decision not to drink for that day too.

Don't allow your addiction to rule you, instead realize that you, not your addiction, have control over your own actions. It comes down to making a choice, it really and truly is that simple.

The next part of recovery is addressing the problem that started it all, which happens to be between your ears. Addicts do what they do because they like it, certainly there is a physical addiction that can happen, but we all started this shit because we fucking liked it. We like it, even though we know it is killing us. That's fucked up. You might have heard the phrase "Nothing changes if nothing changes" at some point in your life, and it is so true. A big problem that most addicts suffer from is lying to themselves, which is the biggest and most powerful betrayal of all because if we can't be honest with ourselves, then who the fuck can we be honest with? The other problem most addicts have is excuses. Addicts find excuses to fuel their self destructive behavior, we find a rationale for our own behavior and we lie to ourselves and this just perpetuates the cycle. The entire point is that the real battleground is not the addiction, it is you. If you don't change you, then it is likely that your recovery will fail.

I wasn't going to get into this but I think it is important, I don't believe in relapse. The possibility of relapse is yet another excuse for our own behavior and if you do go and use again, the term relapse implies that your addiction did it, not you. Never forget that you are in control and that you are more powerful than your addiction could ever be.

You can do this. You are doing this. You are not trying to stay sober, you are staying sober. Yoda said it best, "Do, or do not. There is no try."


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