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Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 5:56:28 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parites?
I always vote in most major elections, and I have voted in every single Presidential election since I was 18.
{A few years ago}.


Anyone else that often votes, just because they are afraid the other side is far worse?

PLEASE don't turn this thread into a partisan bashing thread, trashing either side.
We have a plethora of those threads, in fact MOST of the threads on here are partisan bashing threads, so please spare this thread and bash on the many others here.

Anyway, I am just musing here.

Are we EVER going to have a REAL viable 3rd party in the United States?
I would like to see a viable 3rd party that could win in my lifetime.

Any thoughts, feelings or suggestions from those that are tired of BOTH parties.

I just got a mailbox full of ads, I just feel like BLAH.
I guess I will go vote on Tuesday.
UGH

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 6:01:26 PM   
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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 6:08:10 PM   
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Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parties?



Yes. I'm a regular voter as well. And I'm just fucking bored with it all.

My only suggestion is to get involved in politics at the local level. More idealism, less ruthlessness. Good for the soul.

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 6:08:36 PM   
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fuck you, tell us whether you are a republican or democrat, otherwise we don't know how to insult or demean you


I love the way you said, "fuck you".

Fuck both parties!
I think many people are tired of both parties.
I HATED the years with baby Bush, and I certainly enjoyed helping to vote him out.
I am still not happy at all with the way this country is going.


< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 6:11:45 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 6:14:27 PM   
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I love the way you said, "fuck you".




thanks..... is it my accent?

but nah, from where I sit you have 2 parties, and the whole system is set up to serve them, and the system will crush any other ideas that look like a threat


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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 6:24:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

I love the way you said, "fuck you".


thanks..... is it my accent?

but nah, from where I sit you have 2 parties, and the whole system is set up to serve them, and the system will crush any other ideas that look like a threat



YES, it is certainly your accent.
You made a great point, and I agree that both parties would attempt to crush the opposition.
But, damn it I can dream.
I believe, there are enough of us sick of both of parties, and all of the lobbyists and special interest groups that really run this country.
Damn it, I am so fed up.

Many people would vote for a viable 3rd party.
I will never stop dreaming.....we could have a revolution... one day.

Tuesday is Election Day
---blah, blah, blah

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 6:30:11 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 7:35:37 PM   
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Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parites?



I don't like either party. It's hard to even consider them to be separate parties. It's like trying to compare the National League with the American League in Major League Baseball.

I'd like to see a third party reach a greater level of prominence - or maybe even a fourth and fifth party as well.

I suppose I grew up with influences from both parties, as my mother's family was mostly Democratic and my father's family was mostly Republican. But both sides were firmly locked into their position and voted consistently for their party. A lot of people often claim otherwise, but party loyalty seems pretty strong on both sides.

There are a few third parties which could have had potential, although most of them seem more like specialty parties with only a selective appeal, devoted to a few pet causes but not much beyond that. A lot of voters seem to be content as Independents and not belonging to any political party.

Third party and Independent candidates are going up against huge behemoths. A lot of voters who might even be sympathetic to a third party candidate would tend to see it as "wasting their vote," and vote for the lesser of two evils instead. Very often, I find people tend to not vote for a candidate as much as voting against another candidate.

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 7:40:03 PM   
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Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parites?

Yes.

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 7:44:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

fuck you, tell us whether you are a republican or democrat, otherwise we don't know how to insult or demean you


I love the way you said, "fuck you".

Fuck both parties!
I think many people are tired of both parties.
I HATED the years with baby Bush, and I certainly enjoyed helping to vote him out.
I am still not happy at all with the way this country is going.


Your supposition is very problematic in view of the track record of the parties in addition their rhetoric. Now I know rhetoric does not make policy but between a party that to me, for 40 years think they are somehow entitled to have the office of power and when not elected, act like the whole world is going to hell and the sky is going to fall as compared to their opposition whose actions are not nearly the same...it becomes rather easy.

Then when one party feels it is their priority to get back intro power and not the country's well being while never taking their own crazies to task and then act only to obstruct the opposition, then one is left wanting for anything to compare with it.

Yes, the dems and the repubs are corrupt, yes they both allow wall street, the Pentagon and their executive offices get away with incompetence and corruption but the actual policies pursued and enacted as I said, create a track record that is indisputable.

As I have written, changing the pres. does as much to really change the real direction of almost any country, is like turning the hood ornament on a car expecting it to change direction with it. Presidents are political hood ornaments and as I have also said, I believe since Reagan was shot, (and was supposed to die) do what they need to do...to stay alive.

I don't not believe that if the dems take complete power anytime, the country will not change much but to the extent it does, just about every sector of society will be better off then under complete repub power.

If the repubs take the senate in a few days and then the white house in 2016...we are in for a world of shit.



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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:06:05 PM   
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Then when one party feels it is their priority to get back intro power and not the country's well being while never taking their own crazies to task and then act only to obstruct the opposition, then one is left wanting for anything to compare with it.

Yes, the dems and the repubs are corrupt, yes they both allow wall street, the Pentagon and their executive offices get away with incompetence and corruption but the actual policies pursued and enacted as I said, create a track record that is indisputable.

As I have written, changing the pres. does as much to really change the real direction of almost any country, is like turning the hood ornament on a car expecting it to change direction with it. Presidents are political hood ornaments and as I have also said, I believe since Reagan was shot, (and was supposed to die) do what they need to do...to stay alive.

I don't not believe that if the dems take complete power anytime, the country will change much but to the extent it does, just about every sector of society is better off then under complete repub power.

If the repubs take the senate in a few days and then the white house in 2016...we are in for a world of shit.


So as usual, I should drag myself to the polls, not because I expect much to change or improve, much less even hope for the sort of CHANGES that I want to see.

I need to go to the polls, to vote against the party I feel would be worse, and would be more destructive and cause more misery.
Swell

Blah, Blah, Blah

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 8:10:52 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:16:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parties?



Yes. I'm a regular voter as well. And I'm just fucking bored with it all.

My only suggestion is to get involved in politics at the local level. More idealism, less ruthlessness. Good for the soul.

Alas, not always devoid of ruthlessness, even here in the sticks. But at least we know who we're dealing with.

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:18:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

fuck you, tell us whether you are a republican or democrat, otherwise we don't know how to insult or demean you


I love the way you said, "fuck you".

Fuck both parties!
I think many people are tired of both parties.
I HATED the years with baby Bush, and I certainly enjoyed helping to vote him out.
I am still not happy at all with the way this country is going.


Your supposition is very problematic in view of the track record of the parties in addition their rhetoric. Now I know rhetoric does not make policy but between a party that to me, for 40 years think they are somehow entitled to have the office of power and when not elected, act like the whole world is going to hell and the sky is going to fall as compared to their opposition whose actions are not nearly the same...it becomes rather easy.

Then when one party feels it is their priority to get back intro power and not the country's well being while never taking their own crazies to task and then act only to obstruct the opposition, then one is left wanting for anything to compare with it.

Yes, the dems and the repubs are corrupt, yes they both allow wall street, the Pentagon and their executive offices get away with incompetence and corruption but the actual policies pursued and enacted as I said, create a track record that is indisputable.

As I have written, changing the pres. does as much to really change the real direction of almost any country, is like turning the hood ornament on a car expecting it to change direction with it. Presidents are political hood ornaments and as I have also said, I believe since Reagan was shot, (and was supposed to die) do what they need to do...to stay alive.

I don't not believe that if the dems take complete power anytime, the country will change much but to the extent it does, just about every sector of society is better off then under complete repub power.

If the repubs take the senate in a few days and then the white house in 2016...we are in for a world of shit.

Couldn't resist, could you?

Yeah, I get tired of both parties. Tired of "hope and change" when what it really means is "we hope you'll elect more lefties so we can get you more assistance to meet that dream of not working for it" and tired of "party trumps person" when what it really means is that Frye party on the right is the right party, no matter the person".

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:19:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Is there anyone else that is really tired of BOTH political parites?



I don't like either party. It's hard to even consider them to be separate parties. It's like trying to compare the National League with the American League in Major League Baseball.

I'd like to see a third party reach a greater level of prominence - or maybe even a fourth and fifth party as well.

I suppose I grew up with influences from both parties, as my mother's family was mostly Democratic and my father's family was mostly Republican. But both sides were firmly locked into their position and voted consistently for their party. A lot of people often claim otherwise, but party loyalty seems pretty strong on both sides.

There are a few third parties which could have had potential, although most of them seem more like specialty parties with only a selective appeal, devoted to a few pet causes but not much beyond that. A lot of voters seem to be content as Independents and not belonging to any political party.

Third party and Independent candidates are going up against huge behemoths. A lot of voters who might even be sympathetic to a third party candidate would tend to see it as "wasting their vote," and vote for the lesser of two evils instead. Very often, I find people tend to not vote for a candidate as much as voting against another candidate.


Funny, my father is so militant, he and his wife would be considered socialists.
I agree with most of their beliefs, but they came from a generation that marched, protested, fought, and died for what they believed in {equal and civil rights}.

They just shake their heads at those that came after them.
I have a feeling, I will be shaking my head the rest of my life.
Will I live to see people rise up and fight for significant changes in the status quo, the sort of REAL change {the changes that I want} in my lifetime?

blah blah blah

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 8:22:50 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:20:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marini what we sometimes fail to remember is that ultimately politicians do conform to the wishes of their electorate. Oh many here will deny that and claim there is some secret society with black helicopters and SUV’s but that would be impossible to conceal with a media like ours.

The parties are not at fault they are just reflecting the people that elect them… This is not the first time the country has been so divided… It has happened many times in the past and if we survive as a country it will happen again in the future.

Discourse in a democracy should and is the norm. It is what slows knee jerk decisions and makes change slow. Imagine what would happen if the country was run on a whim. If that were true we could still have slavery…gays would not be making slow progress in equal rights…there would be no freedom of religion…We are in enough wars but we would be in even more if all that mattered was current public opinion.

Like it or not we need the seemingly dysfunction of Congress to force opposing viewpoints to be considered by the general mostly disinterested public. In the end better laws will emerge after going through this mind numbing arduous process.

There are real people that hold political views many of us so abhor and give their elected politicians the power… there are millions of Sanity‘s…and Butch’s…and Domken’s. What we hate in reality is not politicians but parts of ourselves.

Bottom line it is another price we must pay for our relative freedoms.

Butch

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:26:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Butch, I have to disagree with you.
Both parties are full of it, and many people are fed up with it.

This country is basically run by large corporations/"the man"/ lobbyists and special interest groups.

I think many people are very unhappy with what we have to choose from.

Many of us, vote AGAINST the party that we believe would do us more harm.
Then we sit and get kicked in the ass, often by the people we voted for.
Better to be kicked in the ass, than run over by the opposition.

If you are happy with having Democrats or Republicans as ALL we can realistically pick from, good for you.

I am not.

blah blah blah

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 8:31:57 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:34:35 PM   
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Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties?

The question is funny, because there are far more than 2 political parties in the USA. It's just that the mainstream media (and the politicians themselves) have tricked most people into forgetting that.
Just don't vote. Voting gives the broken system power. Your vote is consent to continue to abuse you.
If voting could change anything, they wouldn't let us vote. Period.

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:37:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		People are only unhappy when their views are in the minority...when a nation is divided 50/ 50 as it is now that means most everyone is unhappy. This is as it should be and eventually it will force compromise.

Those that give up will only be giving me more power to govern them in the way I see fit. Remember that if you give up. That goes for your special interest groups as well... remember that are many special interest groups defending what you think right too. A good majority of the special interest business groups have my money, and most likely yours, at heart and I want them to be competent. There are many sides to a workable Democracy and this does not include... getting your way... or mine.

Butch

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 8:38:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties?

The question is funny, because there are far more than 2 political parties in the USA. It's just that the mainstream media (and the politicians themselves) have tricked most people into forgetting that.
Just don't vote. Voting gives the broken system power. Your vote is consent to continue to abuse you.
If voting could change anything, they wouldn't let us vote. Period.


As I stated, I have always voted in every major election since I was 18.
It sort of "allows" me to complain as I watch this country continue to go downhill.
blah, blah, blah

Open Secrets-Center for Responsive Politics--Congress

When you read about who backs these people, you begin to wake up, maybe just a little.

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/28/2014 9:00:07 PM >

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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 9:09:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

fuck you, tell us whether you are a republican or democrat, otherwise we don't know how to insult or demean you


I love the way you said, "fuck you".

Fuck both parties!
I think many people are tired of both parties.
I HATED the years with baby Bush, and I certainly enjoyed helping to vote him out.
I am still not happy at all with the way this country is going.


Your supposition is very problematic in view of the track record of the parties in addition their rhetoric. Now I know rhetoric does not make policy but between a party that to me, for 40 years think they are somehow entitled to have the office of power and when not elected, act like the whole world is going to hell and the sky is going to fall as compared to their opposition whose actions are not nearly the same...it becomes rather easy.

Then when one party feels it is their priority to get back intro power and not the country's well being while never taking their own crazies to task and then act only to obstruct the opposition, then one is left wanting for anything to compare with it.

Yes, the dems and the repubs are corrupt, yes they both allow wall street, the Pentagon and their executive offices get away with incompetence and corruption but the actual policies pursued and enacted as I said, create a track record that is indisputable.

As I have written, changing the pres. does as much to really change the real direction of almost any country, is like turning the hood ornament on a car expecting it to change direction with it. Presidents are political hood ornaments and as I have also said, I believe since Reagan was shot, (and was supposed to die) do what they need to do...to stay alive.

I don't not believe that if the dems take complete power anytime, the country will change much but to the extent it does, just about every sector of society is better off then under complete repub power.

If the repubs take the senate in a few days and then the white house in 2016...we are in for a world of shit.

Couldn't resist, could you?

Yeah, I get tired of both parties. Tired of "hope and change" when what it really means is "we hope you'll elect more lefties so we can get you more assistance to meet that dream of not working for it" and tired of "party trumps person" when what it really means is that Frye party on the right is the right party, no matter the person".


Well I may be dreaming but no. I say elect more dems so we get a higher minimum wage ($10 not $15.hr.) to set a floor under which the economy would at least serve more of the people instead of almost exclusively the investor class.

So, we get a better educational system and reduce incentives for a private for-profit system and maybe even penalties or a tax for shipping jobs overseas. I mean vote more dems so wall street banks will not continue to be too big to fail and end more of the state capitalism we have now where it is heads they win...tails we lose.

I say elect more dems to end the ethanol scam, end federal tax credits for corp. that make billion$ in profit, end all corp, tax negotiations, end corporate tax and product and agric. subsidies and level the tax field with say 3 brackets enabling all income to be taxed equally in the 1040 brackets and thus a lowering of those brackets.


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RE: Anyone else tired of BOTH political parties? - 10/28/2014 9:17:53 PM   
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No, I am not sick of the Democrats. We had peace and prosperity under Clinton. We've had peace and recovery under Obama. Obama also passed the ACA, which has helped cut medicare costs while expanding insurance coverage to a large swath of people who had no health care.

2000-2008 saw the US enter two disastrous wars, a US budget surplus turned into a massive deficit, all capped off by the GREAT RECESSION.

Instead of learning from it's mistakes, the Republicans have doubled down on bad policies -- policies that might drag the USA towards a Kansas level fiscal debacle or lead back into another full scale war in the Middle East again.

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