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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 10/31/2014 11:15:08 AM   
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Technically aren't bi sexual individuals just that? Bi meaning two? Half gay, half straight?
It would seem logical to me that based on each individual preference who is bi, percentage wise some will swing or prefer one gender more.
Some being 60/40, 80/20 in example. Couldn't that percentage also change whether its being based on casual sex and/or relationships.




Tut. No, no, no, HeartAndSoul. It's either black or white - or at the very most, just one neat and tidy shade of grey. ;-)

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 10/31/2014 1:11:24 PM   
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How about purple? Lol.
You said tut, is that English? and first thing I thought of was king tut. I went to you tube and found this and got to laughing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgTPH5y1-ZI&list=RDwgTPH5y1-ZI

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 10/31/2014 1:12:53 PM   
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That gave me a chortle. Thanks! ;-)

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 10/31/2014 2:05:45 PM   
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There's such a social stigma - even now - regarding bisexuality in men, that I could imagine only those men who were *very* into other men would self-identify as 'bisexual'. A man who, for instance, merely has the occasional fantasy about other men but rarely or never acts on it (much less take a long-term male partner) is much more likely to call himself 'heterosexual'.



I'm not sure you can count fantasy. Because nowhere is it written that anyone who has a fantasy really wants to live it out.

Look at all that anime porn involving tentacles. I doubt any of the people who fantasize about that have ever gone looking for a live octopus.

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 7:52:04 AM   
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There's such a social stigma - even now - regarding bisexuality in men, that I could imagine only those men who were *very* into other men would self-identify as 'bisexual'. A man who, for instance, merely has the occasional fantasy about other men but rarely or never acts on it (much less take a long-term male partner) is much more likely to call himself 'heterosexual'.

Look at all that anime porn involving tentacles. I doubt any of the people who fantasize about that have ever gone looking for a live octopus. I'm not sure you can count fantasy. Because nowhere is it written that anyone who has a fantasy really wants to live it out.


Some have. Hitomi Tanaka.
Peon bisexuality to me is kind of like an inside joke. Unless you're on the inside of it you won't get it. Que sera and all that. I need a manicure is the more pressing issue.
Sure, we can get into how in grade school they teach bisexuality is a normal part of puberty but eh, then we'll be talking in circles forever to people who think they understand something they cannot grasp.




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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 8:35:20 AM   
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How about purple? Lol.
You said tut, is that English? and first thing I thought of was king tut. I went to you tube and found this and got to laughing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgTPH5y1-ZI&list=RDwgTPH5y1-ZI

ahhhhh that was a great way to start a morning!

As to the original subject, men doing sex things with each other squicks me. Dunno why, don't care, it is what it is. I don't expect men who like to do sex things with other men to apologize to me for what they enjoy, and I don't apologize for what I like.

added note: the squiggly line came up under "squick" and I clicked to see what it was suggesting.

It suggested Bisquick.

That made me snort for some reason!



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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 8:51:31 AM   
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We've had an ocean of anal sex threads over the years and the general consensus has been "I feel so submissive when he/she takes my ass." Historically, the Vikings would rape men in front of their women to bring on the awareness of any resistance is futile, for the men and women, and bring back a nice submissive coffle.

I am so hetero I'm a lesbo, so I cannot offer anything more than, to me, it is a submissive act, and bitches be like "Nuh uh, gives me that Primal evil fucker that won't bow or break, and makes me, like it or not, know my ass and the rest of me is his."

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 12:13:54 PM   
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What if your bi guy tops men though?

Both of mine did.

Also...I only get squicked about pegging my guy and it feeling wrong, and always stated if he wants that, go find it wherever.

And I don't think you really answered the other part of the question exiled.
Why the double standard when it comes to men vs women?

ETA- what's more primal than just viewing it as holes to be filled?

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 12:22:17 PM   
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I can't answer the other question, Baby Doll. All I can say is in my dynamic and twisted mind, my girls are submissive and I'd prefer them to be in love with each other. A romantic love isn't required, and enduring love is, but I am a sexual freak and girls that like to fuck girls as much as I do really turns my twisted up to an eleven.

On my part, it would be insensitive speculation to make a statement regarding bi-male Tops. Lance or Bear would be a better choice to weigh in here. I have oceans of respect for Lance and Bear is my guy crush. Nevertheless, I brought to light the general consensus of anal sex and submission, to break the tension that has evolved so far, and give our Ladies and girls something more related to the act of anal sex and to see if, as per the numerous anal sex threads, if that sense of submission plays a role in the OP.

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 12:39:04 PM   
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ETA- what's more primal than just viewing it as holes to be filled?


You ninja'd that last in there, but I will happily address it. Again, from my perspective.

My Primal isn't physical grappling for the sake of satiating a physical want/need. It is everything about you; how you smell, how you taste, the feel of your skin, how your mood changes in flux with mine. How the pheromones ebb and flow. In a Primal moment, you will be surrounded by a cloud of concupiscence as my every action skates you close to the edge. Every sound you make, every drop of sweat, and every look of intensity that crosses over your face encourages my animal to be unleashed. The deeper into the primal state, the more intense everything becomes. Sound, sight, smell, touch, everything become hyper acute. The deeper you go with me, the stronger I connect to you on an spiritual leverl... transcendence of flesh and lost compeletely into one another. Physical leads to spiritual, spiritual leads to emotional, once all three are sated, we acheive nirvana.

However, If you are not primal, or have not unleashed your primal freak to its full potential, I may go faster and further than you. You can be lost in the moment as my hands control you, as I've ripped away your clothes, slammed you against the wall, and lay into you. I may bite too hard, scratch too rough, wrap your hair too tight... that primal cloud of concupisence and the connected energy will disapate, your energy changes, and it's in my best interest to bring you back into the cloud, but that depends on how much animal is off the leash.

So, as you can see, Primal means something a little more different to me. In a primal dynamic, walkng hand in hand through the woods, when I say run, you run. You know what is going to happen to you when I catch you, ready or not. If you're ready, you will run to build the anticipation of what is coming. If your not ready, you're running for a different reason, but you will be caught, you will have your clothes ripped from you, and you will be well and truley fucked by a Primal monster and all of your resistance and protests will be taken as encouragment (hence the panty ritual). Again, my perspective.

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 12:49:07 PM   
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I generally disagree with the outcomes of those threads. Pegging just ain't my game. Because I'd view him as submissive to me. He can switch with someone else though...idk.

I think buttsex is in general pretty taboo. Clearly not everyone has it no matter their BDSM inclinations. So I'm willing to bet the buttssex factor plays a role here. But I know a lot of vanillas who Won't date bisexuals either, on both sides of the gender fence.

I honestly think a lot of folks are grossed out by buttsex, have lived in our Puritan founded country and can't help some factors of their upbringing coloring their thoughts on this, and some folks just don't want to feel insecure about their gender or position in a relationship.

I mean a straight or gay man could cheat or leave someone for someone else, but when you're left for the opposite gender you are forced to look at what that gender has that you dont, and sometimes that is hard. plus, if they do end up with the opposite gender after you every obnoxious person you know goes "what did you do to turn them off women?!"

Ps-

Rocka- this is a great thread and I have been developing a small girl crush on you cause you're so smart. Just a heads up :)

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 1:01:05 PM   
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ETA- what's more primal than just viewing it as holes to be filled?


You ninja'd that last in there, but I will happily address it. Again, from my perspective.

My Primal isn't physical grappling for the sake of satiating a physical want/need. It is everything about you; how you smell, how you taste, the feel of your skin, how your mood changes in flux with mine. How the pheromones ebb and flow. In a Primal moment, you will be surrounded by a cloud of concupiscence as my every action skates you close to the edge. Every sound you make, every drop of sweat, and every look of intensity that crosses over your face encourages my animal to be unleashed. The deeper into the primal state, the more intense everything becomes. Sound, sight, smell, touch, everything become hyper acute. The deeper you go with me, the stronger I connect to you on an spiritual leverl... transcendence of flesh and lost compeletely into one another. Physical leads to spiritual, spiritual leads to emotional, once all three are sated, we acheive nirvana.

However, If you are not primal, or have not unleashed your primal freak to its full potential, I may go faster and further than you. You can be lost in the moment as my hands control you, as I've ripped away your clothes, slammed you against the wall, and lay into you. I may bite too hard, scratch too rough, wrap your hair too tight... that primal cloud of concupisence and the connected energy will disapate, your energy changes, and it's in my best interest to bring you back into the cloud, but that depends on how much animal is off the leash.

So, as you can see, Primal means something a little more different to me. In a primal dynamic, walkng hand in hand through the woods, when I say run, you run. You know what is going to happen to you when I catch you, ready or not. If you're ready, you will run to build the anticipation of what is coming. If your not ready, you're running for a different reason, but you will be caught, you will have your clothes ripped from you, and you will be well and truley fucked by a Primal monster and all of your resistance and protests will be taken as encouragment (hence the panty ritual). Again, my perspective.

Jus sayin


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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 1:10:10 PM   
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Pegging just ain't my game. Because I'd view him as submissive to me.


I don't think using a strapon is an inherently dominant act, you might just need a different strapon:




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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/1/2014 1:20:26 PM   
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Pegging just ain't my game. Because I'd view him as submissive to me.


I don't think using a strapon is an inherently dominant act, you might just need a different strapon:





That's creative.
I'm not sure how I would feel about that. I also don't give rim jobs (cause I am health and safety gal) this seems close to that, but I would probably be into pegging that way for the right person.

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/3/2014 2:06:50 PM   
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Peon bisexuality to me is kind of like an inside joke. Unless you're on the inside of it you won't get it. Que sera and all that. I need a manicure is the more pressing issue.


Yep. My ex's pet name for me was 'Poof' and mine, for her, was 'Fishlicker'. She was *really* into male on male gobbling. I have fond memories, to this day, of getting her off without even touching one day on a long bus journey through the Greek countryside in the searing heat: I just whispered an intricate story involving myself and another man in her ear. Wow did she writhe. Fascinating to watch.

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/4/2014 9:18:14 PM   
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I am bisexual. I have always been sexually attracted to both men and women ( my interest peaked in high school ).

Relationship wise, I have almost always gravitated towards men. For me, the emotional attachment was stronger with a man than it was with a woman. However, sexually, I have always found that woman were more attractive than men.

Most of my long term relationships have been with men, with the exception being my current partner. But, the emotional attachment is not there. While we have respect, loyalty, caring, etc...she does not love me, and I do not love her. She is incapable of 'love' in terms of relationships, and I am incapable of bonding with a woman on that level.
This does not mean however, that I plan to leave her if I find a compatible male partner that I am capable of bonding with. Quite the opposite. It just means that our horizon's will be broadened to include one more. She is secure enough to know that I am with her for the long haul, and that is all that matters.

I am in agreement though that most women will scurry past a man who claims to be bisexual; or at least that has been my experience.


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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/5/2014 5:32:02 PM   
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I am bisexual. I have always been sexually attracted to both men and women ( my interest peaked in high school ).

Relationship wise, I have almost always gravitated towards men. For me, the emotional attachment was stronger with a man than it was with a woman. However, sexually, I have always found that woman were more attractive than men.

Most of my long term relationships have been with men, with the exception being my current partner. But, the emotional attachment is not there. While we have respect, loyalty, caring, etc...she does not love me, and I do not love her. She is incapable of 'love' in terms of relationships, and I am incapable of bonding with a woman on that level.
This does not mean however, that I plan to leave her if I find a compatible male partner that I am capable of bonding with. Quite the opposite. It just means that our horizon's will be broadened to include one more. She is secure enough to know that I am with her for the long haul, and that is all that matters.

I am in agreement though that most women will scurry past a man who claims to be bisexual; or at least that has been my experience.



Thank you for sharing a heart felt and honest response of a different type.
The fact that you are honest with each other, and can respect each others desires is what
matters the most.
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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/9/2014 1:08:29 PM   
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Why the double standard when it comes to men vs women?

ETA- what's more primal than just viewing it as holes to be filled?



If I may, I can try to answer this.

Part of the issue is men in general have a mindset that any sort of male on male action from hugging to kissing to any type of sexual contact is absolutely disgusting; especially regarding sex and sexual contact. It is okay and acceptable to shake hands with another guy or hug as long as that hug doesn't entail a full body hug. I know from my own experience as an openly gay male that there is always an underlying assumption from my straight male peers that they are concerned if a gay male is secretly wanting to peg their ass or make some sort of inappropriate pass at them. When much of the time that is furthest from reality. Yes we will compliment a man whom we find attractive yet that does not mean we want to have sex with them. Granted many who know me also know that I can be a shameless flirt yet it never goes any where. We also know that we have to be very cautious and be very neutral with our interactions with many men based on the fact that our innocent actions and comments will automatically be misinterpreted....it is no different when a man gives a beautiful woman an innocent compliment and she wrongly assumes he is trying to get into her pants.

People like The Tyrant or Instynctive or even ResidentSadist are very secure with their own sexuality and in themselves that they are able to comfortably banter and tease knowing full well that all this teasing and innuendos is simply that - it is harmless. They know what turns their crank same way I know what turns my crank.

As to why the double standard, my only guess is instinct. On a biological level, men are instinctively drawn to seek out females of the species and probably for many men, more than one female at the same time may be like a jackpot......I can only assume on this. In general, gay men simply don't have that same instinct; at least for me I don't. My instinctual attraction is geared towards men. more specifically specific men that I find attractive. I don't have that instinct to be sexually intimate with a woman nor do I have that paternal instinct to procreate.





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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/9/2014 2:03:43 PM   
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Like I said, Bear is the go to guy for this one.

Feel that Bear? That's muh Tyrannical love for you xoxoxoxo

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RE: Why the hate on bi men? - 11/9/2014 3:57:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

ETA- what's more primal than just viewing it as holes to be filled?


You ninja'd that last in there, but I will happily address it. Again, from my perspective.

My Primal isn't physical grappling for the sake of satiating a physical want/need. It is everything about you; how you smell, how you taste, the feel of your skin, how your mood changes in flux with mine. How the pheromones ebb and flow. In a Primal moment, you will be surrounded by a cloud of concupiscence as my every action skates you close to the edge. Every sound you make, every drop of sweat, and every look of intensity that crosses over your face encourages my animal to be unleashed. The deeper into the primal state, the more intense everything becomes. Sound, sight, smell, touch, everything become hyper acute. The deeper you go with me, the stronger I connect to you on an spiritual leverl... transcendence of flesh and lost compeletely into one another. Physical leads to spiritual, spiritual leads to emotional, once all three are sated, we acheive nirvana.

However, If you are not primal, or have not unleashed your primal freak to its full potential, I may go faster and further than you. You can be lost in the moment as my hands control you, as I've ripped away your clothes, slammed you against the wall, and lay into you. I may bite too hard, scratch too rough, wrap your hair too tight... that primal cloud of concupisence and the connected energy will disapate, your energy changes, and it's in my best interest to bring you back into the cloud, but that depends on how much animal is off the leash.

So, as you can see, Primal means something a little more different to me. In a primal dynamic, walkng hand in hand through the woods, when I say run, you run. You know what is going to happen to you when I catch you, ready or not. If you're ready, you will run to build the anticipation of what is coming. If your not ready, you're running for a different reason, but you will be caught, you will have your clothes ripped from you, and you will be well and truley fucked by a Primal monster and all of your resistance and protests will be taken as encouragment (hence the panty ritual). Again, my perspective.

Jus sayin


Fans self over......

your using the word concupisence, twice.

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