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Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 2:57:04 PM   
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• The one thing new Senate Majority Leader McConnell and his supporters dislike more than the democratic agenda is Ted Cruz.

• When Americans are confronted with “Personhood” votes to Constitutionally protect “preborn” children, they categorically reject the idea.

• Polls showed than more than 1/3 of GOP voters thought President Obama was born abroad.

• Politicians know what works for their own careers; playing to their base, denouncing the other side, and blocking rivals from getting credit for anything.

• Republicans ran on no message except that President Obama was always wrong.

• Four Deep Red States (AK, AR, NE, ND) voted to increase the minimum wage in ballot measures.

• The State of Washington passed a ballot measure by 60% to institute criminal and mental health background checks for gun buyers. The NRA sponsored a counter law that was disapproved.

• Kansas reelected its whole Republican leadership notwithstanding its mounting budget issues. (Sorry MNOT.)

• Dark Money spent: $300M by Republicans and $120M by Democrats. In 2012 the Republican spent $700M in dark money.

--Sourced from the NYT.
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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 4:15:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Democrats do not know how to use media money. They do not know how to characterize and publicize their positives while denigrating repubs for their negatives or they just don't try.

The dems are amateur as using what money they do get and the repubs are real pros at using whatever advantages they have. Dems count on turnout, it was abysmally low and they paid the price.

The next one in 2016 will tell us even more about the long term future of America.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 4:53:15 PM   
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Democrats do not know how to use media money. They do not know how to characterize and publicize their positives while denigrating repubs for their negatives or they just don't try.


Democrats have the same or close to, the same media ability as Republican/Tea Party. Where they fail is playing the same tactics as Republican/Tea Party: loose with facts, half truths, and out right lying. The conservative misinformation media machine is active and running. 24/7, and 365 days a year! FOX News is a great example of this misinformation machine at work. That tens of millions of Americans cant tell the difference between evidence and fantasy should alarm anyone whom wants the United States to prosper.

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The dems are amateur as using what money they do get and the repubs are real pros at using whatever advantages they have. Dems count on turnout, it was abysmally low and they paid the price.


Mid-term elections have historically had low turnouts. The opposing party has always gain ground in Congress when the other side had the White House. Unless there is a motivating reason, most Americans sadly do not turn out to the polls and vote. (start sarcasm) Like jury selection, why should they have to be bothered with doing their civil duty to the nation? Its not like the nation gives back in dividends to them, right? (end sarcasm)

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The next one in 2016 will tell us even more about the long term future of America.


Yes, people said that of 2012, and 2008. They said it of 2004, and 2000 (the millennium). They said it of 19996 and even 1992. Notice a trend here? More is usually at stake on the general elections. The White becomes open. So do numerous senate and representative seats. Even at the state and local levels, many positions open up for election. So 'yes', more people will turn out to the polls.

Here is the problem:

About 35-42% of those able to vote, most likely voted in this most recent election. So the basic question is: Why didnt the other 58-65% of the population of the nation vote? What can we do to get more people to the voting booth to vote?

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 4:57:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's easy to get over-analytical and read too much into things.

For example, in 2006, when there *was* a clear rejection of a number of things, new Dem Senators were swept in. That meant that in 2012, there was a real question over whether that sentiment would stand for these newly incumbent representatives. The Senate deliberately has this longer term waves of effect and influence.

This year, flat out more Democrats were up for election than Republicans, which gave the edge to Republicans from the start. I'm not saying there weren't other messages in there too necessarily, just that there's a fundamental issue before even getting into that. Similarly, in 2016, many more Republicans are up for re-election, and they will be the ones at a disadvantage again. And so forth.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 5:36:13 PM   
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I think it's easy to get over-analytical and read too much into things.

For example, in 2006, when there *was* a clear rejection of a number of things, new Dem Senators were swept in. That meant that in 2012, there was a real question over whether that sentiment would stand for these newly incumbent representatives. The Senate deliberately has this longer term waves of effect and influence.

This year, flat out more Democrats were up for election than Republicans, which gave the edge to Republicans from the start. I'm not saying there weren't other messages in there too necessarily, just that there's a fundamental issue before even getting into that. Similarly, in 2016, many more Republicans are up for re-election, and they will be the ones at a disadvantage again. And so forth.


Republican seats? Democratic seats?

What ever happened to those seats belonging to the American people? Not the special interests, or the Super PACs, and especially not the 1%. Many of those seats have been Gerrymandered. Meaning they are *OWNED* by an entity that is not 'Representing the whole of the people there' (to use the Republic) or 'Democratically open' (to use Democracy). Those seats are owned by a political party. So what happens to those that are not of the same political party? "oh well..."

Should we not be surprised that less voters go to the polls because their Democratic challenger in a red state has little or no chance of winning? That Republicans in blue states stay home rather than waste the gas mileage on a vote that is going to a Demcorat anyway. That's apathy at its worst! Then we have all the 'non-Democratic/Republican-Tea Partiers', who do they vote for? Their candidate, if they had one, has even less chance than the underdog in the race.

So where is the competition? The numerous possible candidates for the job? Because that would REALLY spur those that win office to actually get shit down in office. We wouldn't see a Congressional approval rating ofr 1/4th that of the President. Nor members of Congress taking off the year off in vacation time. Those guys and gals would have to work just to show reason to give them another term. Right now, nothing gets done. This year and the year before are on record for the two LEAST productive sessions of Congress. Anyone want to take bets this one will be more productive for the American people as a whole?

Your going to tell me that a nation of 310 million, we cant find more than two people, with considerable less political baggage to run as president in this nation? I and tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of Americans have a better chance at winning back-to-back jackpots in the Powerball and Megamillions, than to serve our nation in Congress.

Wonder what the founding fathers would say of things in 2014....

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/7/2014 6:53:55 PM   
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Join the other morons on block. Not wasting my time where there's no discussion.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:19:50 AM   
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• Republicans ran on no message except that President Obama was always wrong.

I think that's exactly right which means Republicans were elected to do one thing and one thing only: Stop Ebobama!!!!

It's also worth noting just how much Americans hate EbobamaCare. Every Republican elected to the Senate for the first time pledged to repeal it. 29 of 60 Senators who voted for it are Senators no more.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:20:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you measuring their productivity by the amount of new laws passed? If you remove your blinders, you might notice that repealing laws can also be productive. The drug war and the Patriot Act are just two examples off the top of my head. Gridlock is underrated, too. It's better to do nothing than to make things worse. Many of us are thrilled with the prospect of Congress adding a few less rushed, redundant, or counter-productive laws to the uncountable pile. That said, most of these "Republicans" are going to try to pass far more laws than they try to repeal. So don't get too upset, statism is still alive and well.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:25:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Jesus Fucking Christ. Another moron ignoring the point to go whompin' from his soap box on some pet project.

Join the other morons on block. Not wasting my time where there's no discussion.


Oh please - you always add so much to the discussion!!!

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:29:56 AM   
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• Republicans ran on no message except that President Obama was always wrong.

I think that's exactly right which means Republicans were elected to do one thing and one thing only: Stop Ebobama!!!!

It's also worth noting just how much Americans hate EbobamaCare. Every Republican elected to the Senate for the first time pledged to repeal it. 29 of 60 Senators who voted for it are Senators no more.


What percentage of those Americans who hate the ACA, actually took the time to....READ...the ACA to determine if it was a good bill or not? That's a very small percentage, measured in the 0.00X%. So what your saying is that most Americans are complete idiots who should not be allowed to vote...EVER...again. Instead, they need a monarchy in which they are the serfs and obeying higher rule without question.

You have a really sad viewpoint on life. Thanks to the ACA, you can now get access to a therapist, who will help you out of these delusional fantasies of yours.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:35:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its not the federal level that we should be complain about either. I think John Oliver explains the State Races much better!

Low public turn out to vote, with a midterm election that had nothing major going on, with state legislatures behaving like children or idiots, silly and/or stupid bills being made into law without the media notifying the public, and running unopposed in a fourth of the races. And we wonder why we have bad government....

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:35:33 AM   
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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:39:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Jesus Fucking Christ. Another moron ignoring the point to go whompin' from his soap box on some pet project.

Join the other morons on block. Not wasting my time where there's no discussion.


Oh please - you always add so much to the discussion!!!

Back at ya. You COULD have responded to THIS post, which is entirely on topic:


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I think it's easy to get over-analytical and read too much into things.

For example, in 2006, when there *was* a clear rejection of a number of things, new Dem Senators were swept in. That meant that in 2012, there was a real question over whether that sentiment would stand for these newly incumbent representatives. The Senate deliberately has this longer term waves of effect and influence.

This year, flat out more Democrats were up for election than Republicans, which gave the edge to Republicans from the start. I'm not saying there weren't other messages in there too necessarily, just that there's a fundamental issue before even getting into that. Similarly, in 2016, many more Republicans are up for re-election, and they will be the ones at a disadvantage again. And so forth.

...but everything is always personal for you. Very weird. And frankly, unnecessary.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:40:29 AM   
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What took you so long?

Yeah, I know.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 7:48:00 AM   
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What took you so long?


It comes down to waiting for something good to happen on that show....OR....getting in a couple of more turns in Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 8:28:59 AM   
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In his rush to hate and cast blame on "racist white males", this may be the key takeaway that cloudboy is overlooking:

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People don't vote against their interests. They vote for their interests as they see them. And right now, working-class and blue-collar whites think the Democratic Party is just implacably against them.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 8:35:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because they've come to believe the sound bytes over reality.

Look at this map. This is something The New York Times posted a week ago showing the percentage of people who gained health insurance under Obamacare, broken down into every county in the country. Look at the map, and look at Kentucky. Huge gains. Just huge. Throughout the state, the percentage of insured doubled in many counties. The Democratic Party has been implacably for the people—in this state, most of them white—who got insurance.

And yet, could Alison Grimes go around the state bragging about this? No, she couldn’t. It’s Obama and race, yes. For sure. But it’s more. It’s hatred of government. In a lot of places, you can’t even get people to believe that Washington had anything to do with them getting insurance. So they sent back to the Senate, by a shockingly high margin, the man who has pledged that he’s going to repeal root and branch the law that got them that insurance.

Read full commentary here

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 8:50:45 AM   
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Because they've come to believe the sound bytes over reality.

Look at this map. This is something The New York Times posted a week ago showing the percentage of people who gained health insurance under Obamacare, broken down into every county in the country. Look at the map, and look at Kentucky. Huge gains. Just huge. Throughout the state, the percentage of insured doubled in many counties. The Democratic Party has been implacably for the people—in this state, most of them white—who got insurance.

And yet, could Alison Grimes go around the state bragging about this? No, she couldn’t. It’s Obama and race, yes. For sure. But it’s more. It’s hatred of government. In a lot of places, you can’t even get people to believe that Washington had anything to do with them getting insurance. So they sent back to the Senate, by a shockingly high margin, the man who has pledged that he’s going to repeal root and branch the law that got them that insurance.

Read full commentary here


Reality - theyre forced to patronize Obamas big insurance cronies with the IRS twisting their arms behind their backs

Many health insurance plans are worse, and a lot more expensive than ever now with the Democrats' "Affordable Care Act"

(Gee, why did people ever vote against Democrats for forcing THAT down our throats)

Keep pretending its popular though, never mind the massive shellacking you got









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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 9:01:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual, you're unable to read the actual points, inventing your own reality, while whining about imaginary leftists, fans, trolls, etc.

Nothing there says it's "popular." In fact, the article says the opposite -- people have become knee-jerk "government is bad" without regard to the actual issue or evidence case by case.

What it *does* show is that many more Americans now have health insurance.

Whether these plans are "more expensive" depends on where you live and the insurance company you choose. Sometimes people make crappy decisions. My insurance hasn't changed, at all, in benefits or cost. If yours has, you should look into changing it. Not complicated.

"I" didn't get any "shellacking" -- my life and business are the same as before. Some Congressional Democrats lost their seats, sure. Here, locally, we reelected our popular Democrat state senator and assembly representatives, even though I live in heavily gerrymandered rural Republican districts. Our US Senators weren't up for re-election. Our House representative ran unopposed. We re-elected our Democrat governor.

And in our town, we threw a Republican judge appointed through an asshole move (the previous judge resigned a month after the election) out of office, electing a much more popular Democrat by a 3 to 1 margin -- in a town with about 12 Democrats.

It was a good election day here. But here, we look at the people, not at the letters after their names.


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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 9:07:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As usual, you're unable to read the actual points, inventing your own reality, while whining about imaginary leftists, fans, trolls, etc.

Nothing there says it's "popular." In fact, the article says the opposite -- people have become knee-jerk "government is bad" without regard to the actual issue or evidence case by case.

What it *does* show is that many more Americans now have health insurance.

Whether these plans are "more expensive" depends on where you live and the insurance company you choose. Sometimes people make crappy decisions. My insurance hasn't changed, at all, in benefits or cost. If yours has, you should look into changing it. Not complicated.

"I" didn't get any "shellacking" -- my life and business are the same as before. Some Congressional Democrats lost their seats, sure. Here, locally, we reelected our popular Democrat state senator and assembly representatives, even though I live in heavily gerrymandered rural Republican districts. Our US Senators weren't up for re-election. Our House representative ran unopposed. We re-elected our Democrat governor.

And in our town, we threw a Republican judge appointed through an asshole move (the previous judge resigned a month after the election) out of office, electing a much more popular Democrat by a 3 to 1 margin -- in a town with about 12 Democrats.

It was a good election day here. But here, we look at the people, not at the letters after their names.



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