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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 1:43:07 PM   
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But it could easily swing back in 2016.

Unless Republican leaders actually start doing something. But there's no sign of that. They will likely spend two years running for 2016.


I think all of that is right except the underlying assumption.

The "something" Republicans were elected to do both simple and clear: Stop Ebobama!!!!!!!


We can figure out the rest later.

Kinda like "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 1:45:46 PM   
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Kinda like "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?


The ever-so-transparent Democrats are set to release even more bad news about what will happen to us because of Obamacare, now that another election is behind us.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 1:49:56 PM   
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The Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times. Obama will veto that repeal 55 times.


And and and

The Dim Presidential candidates will be asked 5500 times, including in every debate, if they would repeal it if given the opportunity.
You have already tacitly admitted it is unpopular ("I never said it was popular"). It is a given that "the Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times" is further proof of its unpopularity, as is every poll on the subject.

EbobamaCare and Odamnesty may be the topics du jour for the next two years...
Ebobama's positions on both subjects are poison for the nation and Dims.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 1:53:27 PM   
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Old business:

1) I already addressed all of this earlier in the thread. Have a look.
2) I'm no fan of Obamacare -- only that we finally have *something* -- however flawed.
3) Never said it was popular.
4) My insurance is the same. What's up with Kentucky? Unless the insurance sucked before.
5) Not "my" map -- just sharing the data.

New business:

The Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times. Obama will veto that repeal 55 times. It will give Republicans the illusion of "doing something" without actually having to propose and implement any solutions of their own.

Rich:

Already addressed as well. The incumbents were shown the door. Next election, these incumbents will be shown the door. It's how America "thinks." And in no way does that translate to support of Bush Lite's policies -- I just prefer to look at things objectively/realistically.


The Republicans will "do" exactly what the voters sent them there to do, stop the Democrats from enacting any more of their radical, widely despised, far left agenda.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 1:56:26 PM   
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Do let us know if you decide to leave planet drooling dipshit.



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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 2:10:22 PM   
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In his rush to hate and cast blame on "racist white males", this may be the key takeaway that cloudboy is overlooking:
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People don't vote against their interests. They vote for their interests as they see them. And right now, working-class and blue-collar whites think the Democratic Party is just implacably against them.

Heck, I voted for Obama in the first term and *I* think the Democratic party is implacably against me. Sure, I think the same thing of the Republican party but deciding which corporate overlords I want and just how quickly I'll be driven into poverty isn't really a compelling sales pitch for either side. The Democratic message this time around was basically "Less evil than the Republicans". I liked the guy (a democrat on a democratic site) who said,

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That's like saying you should drink from this glass because it's only 70% filled with ebola as compared to that glass over there which is 90% filled. Both those drinks kill you so the distinction is meaningless.


Insofar as takeaways I resist the urge. For myself I'm most likely to map my own reasons for my voting patterns onto everyone else and that's likely incorrect. And the political pundits have pretty much all made careers of being totally wrong about everything. But if I were the Democratic party I'd consider running a Democrat next time around. Instead we'll get HRC and we're back to "only 70% filled with ebola".

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 2:16:04 PM   
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The Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times. Obama will veto that repeal 55 times.


And and and

The Dim Presidential candidates will be asked 5500 times, including in every debate, if they would repeal it if given the opportunity.
You have already tacitly admitted it is unpopular ("I never said it was popular"). It is a given that "the Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times" is further proof of its unpopularity, as is every poll on the subject.

EbobamaCare and Odamnesty may be the topics du jour for the next two years...
Ebobama's positions on both subjects are poison for the nation and Dims.


The ACA may end up becoming a moot point and pretty much collapse if SCOTUS rules with Halbig that the law means what it says regarding the subsidies.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/8/2014 2:25:15 PM   
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The ACA may end up becoming a moot point and pretty much collapse if SCOTUS rules with Halbig that the law means what it says regarding the subsidies.


If that happens Mr. High-And-Mighty "Elections-Have-Consequences" will be forced to approach the Republicans hat-in-hand to ask for their help "fixing" it



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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 2:29:07 AM   
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I am hearing even old folks talking of going to Canada...now !!

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 4:29:46 AM   
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I probably should have specified but what I meant by 2016 being a big deal is if a repub is elected pres and we still have repubs controlling both houses.

I am hearing even old folks talking of going to Canada...now !!


Because all the old folks love radicals leftists

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 4:34:35 AM   
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I probably should have specified but what I meant by 2016 being a big deal is if a repub is elected pres and we still have repubs controlling both houses.

I am hearing even old folks talking of going to Canada...now !!



Are they the same group that was going to leave when Bush got elected or are you talking about the ones who were going to go after Obama got in? Or perhaps this is a whole new group that thinks anyone gives a flying fuck if they stay or not.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 5:09:59 AM   
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The Dim Presidential candidates will be asked 5500 times, including in every debate, if they would repeal it if given the opportunity.

Would you care to bet that it will even be asked once? In any Democratic candidate debate? It is simply a given that it is a starting point. No Democrat could possibly get elected on the platform of repealing Obamacare and no Republican will ever hold the White House after promising to repeal it.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 5:42:58 AM   
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Would you care to bet that it will even be asked once? In any Democratic candidate debate? It is simply a given that it is a starting point. No Democrat could possibly get elected on the platform of repealing Obamacare and no Republican will ever hold the White House after promising to repeal it.


Every Republican Senator who was swept into office last Tuesday ran on repealing Obamacare

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 6:10:48 AM   
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Would you care to bet that it will even be asked once? In any Democratic candidate debate? It is simply a given that it is a starting point. No Democrat could possibly get elected on the platform of repealing Obamacare and no Republican will ever hold the White House after promising to repeal it.


Every Republican Senator who was swept into office last Tuesday ran on repealing Obamacare

Try reading what I wrote.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 6:27:20 AM   
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Try reading what I wrote.


I get that a lot, mostly from those on the far left who are incapable of connecting the dots on their own

The sad part is, I don't have time to take every one of you by the hand and walk you through the simple, obvious conclusions

I will offer up this one additional musing though

I am starting to like Obamacare myself, after seeing the tremendous damage that this widely despised legislation is doing to the Democrat party

The few who benefit already vote solid Democrat for the most part anyway, so... Win-win









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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 6:51:07 AM   
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Try reading what I wrote.


I get that a lot, mostly from those on the far left who are incapable of connecting the dots on their own

You get that a lot because what you post often makes no fucking sense compared to what the other person posted.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 7:00:10 AM   
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You get that a lot because what you post often makes no fucking sense compared to what the other person posted.



Again, you struggle to connect the dots

And I dont have nearly the time it would take to walk you and your friends through the very simple logic that is so elusive to you and they

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 7:20:42 AM   
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Another dot for you

(Not that it will do you any good)

Vulnerable Dems scramble to keep distance from ObamaCare

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 11:11:54 AM   
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Old business:

1) I already addressed all of this earlier in the thread. Have a look.
2) I'm no fan of Obamacare -- only that we finally have *something* -- however flawed.
3) Never said it was popular.
4) My insurance is the same. What's up with Kentucky? Unless the insurance sucked before.
5) Not "my" map -- just sharing the data.

New business:

The Senate will join the House in repealing it 55 more times. Obama will veto that repeal 55 times. It will give Republicans the illusion of "doing something" without actually having to propose and implement any solutions of their own.

Rich:

Already addressed as well. The incumbents were shown the door. Next election, these incumbents will be shown the door. It's how America "thinks." And in no way does that translate to support of Bush Lite's policies -- I just prefer to look at things objectively/realistically.


The Republicans will "do" exactly what the voters sent them there to do, stop the Democrats from enacting any more of their radical, widely despised, far left agenda.

By that logic, Obama was re-elected to do his agenda.

Interesting you don't seem to hold that view.

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RE: Mid Term Takeaways - 11/9/2014 11:42:02 AM   
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The few who benefit already vote solid Democrat for the most part anyway, so... Win-win

Actually, if I were to judge based on what I read from those who haven't drunk the koolaid on either side, we seem to think the law is flawed on the whole but has it's ups and downs. Will it "subsidize the medical complex" as the Republicans claim? Sure. Has it also brought health insurance to a fair number who didn't have it already. Yes, it has -- by force in some cases. Is that force a bad thing? That's a bit more complicated since those people would've consumed highly expensive emergency room treatments without it. In other words, we were all paying for them. Perhaps we will now pay less? Are we devoutly glad that it capped some of the egregious maneuverings of the insurance companies -- yeah but it didn't go nearly far enough.

My sense among independents is that Obama gets minor positive points for the ACA. Most of us think the Republicans are faring substantially worse on health care though since they have no real plan other than to repeal the ACA. The reason "Vulnerable Dems" scrambled away from Obamacar is the same reason they scrambled away from Obama himself. The man might as well have been Bush3. I mean... when you get outside the party propaganda here's Obama:

Torture: Yup, he supports it.
Due Process: Nope, that's oft-times inconvenient.
Militarization of Police Force: Full steam ahead under Obama
MASSIVE domestic surveillance: Yup, Obama loves police states too.
Guantanamo: Still exists
Wars: Have we stopped bombing the mideast in his entire tenure? 7 different countries I think.
Stock Market Crash: He appointed all the crooks to high positions
Class Wars: We're losing the net neutrality war because of him.
Transparency: He's a worse liar than Bush. At least with Bush you knew he was lying. Obama pulls it off with that dopey grin of his.

The guy is pro-military, pro-business, and anti-democracy. What more could you conservatives want out of a candidate? The only places he differs from your guys is he doesn't want to institute a theocracy and a few social issues which are obviously important to some but to me sort of pale in the face of "no due process".

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