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Gauge -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 9:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Yeah, people who get serious illnesses and experience pain for years on end are whining, self inflicted drama queens. I know I chose to get cancer, thanks so much for pointing that out to all of us. As for some people being stronger than others, I don't know what you have experienced seeing loved ones die slowly in agony or you yourself, if you ever get an illness that makes you wish you would never wake up, but how dare you accuse people who are ill of not being strong. Edited to add that yes, you are cold hearted and lack empathy. But I suspect you find that a compliment. Take this as you will, but I think you read a little too much into that post. Just my $0.02 about it. I've been in mental health treatment for over 20 years. I have run into professional victims who have nothing better to do than tell everyone how horrible their life is, and they have the tools to do something to improve their life yet still want to metaphorically throw themselves upon their sword, rather than change things for the better. I understand what she meant. People with illnesses that are painful and terminal do not fall into that category. They are the ones with no choice, they would change if they could. I understand that the post upset you, I'm hoping that I can explain it a little better.

Gauge -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 9:30:25 PM)
This is a fast reply. My woman is a hospice nurse. She and I have had discussions of the horrors she has seen people suffer because our society tends to frown on terminally ill patients choosing to end their lives. She and I have had lengthy discussions about assisted suicide and the fact that we both agree with it. If someone that is terminal wants to die on their own terms, I believe that should be their right and their choice. Personally, I would like to die with some dignity.

shiftyw -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 10:00:07 PM)
I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to. My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that. Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does.

ydd -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 10:36:25 PM)
My Mom chose to live out the end of her days at home. I was not by her side, but in the house when she passed. She had been offered hospice care, and I wish she had taken it. It took over a year before I could walk easily into that house again.

Gauge -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 11:04:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does. She does it because she has a fucking heart of gold. There are few people who I have met who can actually say they are doing the job they were meant to do. She is one of the ones who was born for this. I'll pass your sentiments along.

ydd -> RE: Suicide. (11/29/2014 11:25:31 PM)
Gauge, I spent 20 yrs as an RN, and the only patient I ever lost was on the operating room table. It takes a very special kind of person to deal with that kind of thing every day. I know I am not strong enough. Give your woman a hug and a big thank you for me.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 12:02:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to. My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that. Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does. I agree with you. She must be a special sort of someone to work in hospice. Those I am aware of are gentle, patient, caring and just have to have some sort of unique fortitude to be able to do so knowing their patient is leaving this life and not moving on to recover. I'd be a blubbering mess every time.

Greta75 -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 2:29:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterVenom13 I just can't understand how a person could put their loved ones through that. What if they have no love ones at all? Zero, nobody. What if everybody hates them, parents, family, relatives, friends, everybody, and there is nobody who would get hurt by their death or even miss them when they are gone, some will even cheer and rejoice? Would you change your mind about it? Because, not everybody has people who loves them you know. It's not like, it's something that everybody is lucky to have in this life. Alot of suicide cases here are people who keep to themselves and have no friends or family in this world.

Redhusky -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 3:47:59 AM)
i agree with Greta75 Also even if they have friends, there friends might not understand it, they arent experiencing the same thing as the person who is thinking on suicide , and without having experience, it's very difficult to communicate at that level that will work. On getdare, there way a boy , who said because the sexuality he was, his parents throw him out. Also his friends and every family member did that. His family & friends were those religious type, from they viewpoint, the boy committed sins and was thrown out. Just like that , he lost everything and this happened this month, at the beginning of this month.

tj444 -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 4:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to. My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that. Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does. I read about a study a few years ago about suicide and those that are at the end of their life and in pain, basically, they result was that if people could control their pain level by having control of how much pain meds they could have (rather than a doctor deciding that), then most would choose to live rather than commit suicide.. So it seems that the level of pain is a major factor in a persons decision to do that or not do that.. The problem being that doctors control the pain meds and the govt controls the doctors.. doctors don't want to lose their license or be put on trial, possibly go to jail cuz they gave someone too many prescription meds & that person overdosed/died.. I know someone who is 90 and she is always wanting pain pills but the doctor only gives her a prescription for 4/day.. The govt has increased restrictions on that drug even more lately (& also more to prevent doctor shopping).. making it more difficult for people in pain to get a level of comfort they can (literally) live with..

Greta75 -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 5:02:20 AM)
This world is a little screwed up in this way. I mean, US has death penalty like we do. Fact is that, we HAVE death penalty. We reward the the most evil people with the peace of dying and torture good people who wants the same peace. I often see death as a reward for sufferings, that's why I am against death penalty for bad people. My 88 yr old granddad had brain tumour, fractured hip and lung cancer. He died the most painful and slow death, in agony every single day, morphine up to maximum dose without killing him but he was still in so much pain and begged to die everyday, it was awful.

kallisto -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 5:24:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Me too, please.

PeonForHer -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 6:14:03 AM)
quote: I read about a study a few years ago about suicide and those that are at the end of their life and in pain, basically, they result was that if people could control their pain level by having control of how much pain meds they could have (rather than a doctor deciding that), then most would choose to live rather than commit suicide. interesting - and very plausible.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 6:29:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge This is a fast reply. My woman is a hospice nurse. She and I have had discussions of the horrors she has seen people suffer because our society tends to frown on terminally ill patients choosing to end their lives. She and I have had lengthy discussions about assisted suicide and the fact that we both agree with it. If someone that is terminal wants to die on their own terms, I believe that should be their right and their choice. Personally, I would like to die with some dignity. Hospice nurses are angels on earth. The ones who helped me with my mom were amazing, and without them, I would not have been able to bring her home so she could die there, instead of in a hospital. Gawd I forgot what else I was going to say, damn onion peelin ninjas came into the room

NorthernGent -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 1:05:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie It leaves loved ones angry Does it? I should clarify that I don't know anyone depressed or suicidal (at least openly), so I'm not speaking from experience. Regardless, if someone I love was to commit suicide the last thing I would be is angry. Devastated, saddened, wish I'd known and could have helped etc. But, certainly not angry that someone in a lot of pain decided that the pain was too much to bear. And, really, it's not that some of us are stronger than others; the issue is that life can be very random and some of us are luckier than others.

PeonForHer -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 1:42:15 PM)
quote: Regardless, if someone I love was to commit suicide the last thing I would be is angry. Devastated, saddened, wish I'd known and could have helped etc. But, certainly not angry that someone in a lot of pain decided that the pain was too much to bear. It's understandable, I think, NG. After all, looked at one way, a murder has taken place, and people often feel anger towards the murderer. The thought did pass through my head more than a few times re my friend Dave, as I said.

YourBigDaddy1967 -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 4:05:58 PM)
Many years ago, I had a boss that killed himself. He had everything in the world to live for, He was training at my store, and had just competed training and had been given his own store. Not co manager or anything like that. They made him head manager of his own store. He'd just gotten engaged, bought a brand new car, He had everything to live for, he went home and blew his brains out. what went on in his mind that he couldn't go on one more day.

LaTigresse -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 4:58:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Interesting read this thread. I've known people that tried it and failed (both my children). I've know people that tried and succeeded. I've known quite a few people that have talked about it, whether they've ever tried and failed I don't know. I live in constant expectation of a phone call about one person I love dearly. I used to have quite strong feelings about those that do it. The whole coward bit. However, my feelings have mellowed. One, I don't have strong fearful feelings about death. It's part of life and none of us are going to escape it. I've come to conclude if someone really wants to opt out, that's their choice. I'd just prefer to not have to deal with a mess because of it. A very selfish approach I have towards it..........."go ahead and do it, just make it a nice clean tidy thing would ya..." I don't have any religious mindset that affects my thoughts.......the whole 'sin' business. Meh. I suspect the truth is, some of us are stronger than others of us. Some of us have mental illness and a built in book of excuses, others manage to take responsibility for their personal well being and get the help they need to soldier through it. Some people seem to relish being perpetual victims of life. It's all they know, it's their comfort zone. Regardless of how painful it is. Others recognize they don't have to life that way and go in search of a better path. Call me cold hearted and lacking empathy, I may even agree with you. But I figure there are already too many of us humans on this big rock. If a few want to jump off a bridge and become fish food, or splatter their brains all over the rose garden, making especially big colourful blossoms the next season, I guess that's their right. Truth be told, I'd rather some people do it instead of constantly complaining about how horrible their life is when it's obvious they are creating a helluva lot of their own horrible. When they have nothing but excuses as to why they constantly make bad choices and end up suffering the consequences. Truth is, it's usually not the whining self inflicting ones that do it. They'd rather piss and moan and go looking for sympathy. Yeah, people who get serious illnesses and experience pain for years on end are whining, self inflicted drama queens. I know I chose to get cancer, thanks so much for pointing that out to all of us. As for some people being stronger than others, I don't know what you have experienced seeing loved ones die slowly in agony or you yourself, if you ever get an illness that makes you wish you would never wake up, but how dare you accuse people who are ill of not being strong. Edited to add that yes, you are cold hearted and lack empathy. But I suspect you find that a compliment. Actually, I find it............nothing. It's obvious you read my words very different than my intent when I wrote them. Which was pointed out to you by another. Trust me, IF I had intended my words to be about you and your situation, I would have clearly said so. I was writing generally, thinking of people I've known, seen, heard, etc.

DesFIP -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 6:01:43 PM)
Again, I'm fourth generation mood disorder. When the rest of you write heart attacks on family medical history sections in a doctor's office, I write suicide. That's what we die of, too damn often. Prior to the invention of ssri's I fought suicidal ideation every fucking winter until my late 20s when it lifted for 15 years. I begged for electro shock treatment and was refused because at the time, it left your memory with swiss cheese holes. If, when it returned, there had not then been a huge advance in treatment, I probably would have died by it. There comes a point where you can't fight anymore.

shiftyw -> RE: Suicide. (11/30/2014 7:29:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to. My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that. Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does. I read about a study a few years ago about suicide and those that are at the end of their life and in pain, basically, they result was that if people could control their pain level by having control of how much pain meds they could have (rather than a doctor deciding that), then most would choose to live rather than commit suicide.. So it seems that the level of pain is a major factor in a persons decision to do that or not do that.. The problem being that doctors control the pain meds and the govt controls the doctors.. doctors don't want to lose their license or be put on trial, possibly go to jail cuz they gave someone too many prescription meds & that person overdosed/died.. I know someone who is 90 and she is always wanting pain pills but the doctor only gives her a prescription for 4/day.. The govt has increased restrictions on that drug even more lately (& also more to prevent doctor shopping).. making it more difficult for people in pain to get a level of comfort they can (literally) live with.. He was 91. He was a diabetic, had a rare auto immune disease, and heart problems. He got diagnosed with esophageal cancer last February. he stopped eating solids two months ago. Stopped keeping anything but clear liquid down two weeks ago, and eventually that wouldn't go down either. He was on morphine, phentennoyl, and oxy. He was on a mess of anti aniexity meds also, because of the PTSD he got from living through Normandy. He died when his kidneys shut down just last week. Don't you think a lot of pain could have been avoided in this case by assisted suicide? It is a raw situation for me, but if I had the ability to let him slip into peaceful sleep, rather than suffer unnecessarily for the last six months, I would. Sometimes pain killers don't make a difference, period.

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