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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 6:28:30 AM   
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All communities are based upon some sort of standard, complete with norms and unwritten codes of behaviour and attitude, to which members conform.

Using your example, why exactly have a Christian community? Probably two reasons: firstly, they believe that in part their values are not replicated outside of the community; secondly, they're proud of their values and want to cement this by through belonging to this community and all that that entails.


Right. Looking at that from the outside, and perhaps interviewing those people on what makes their relationships work, aside from "A mutual faith in and interest in Christianity), I doubt you would come up with much that would set it apart from "vanilla" relationships.

In fact, I'm guessing most people would not make the distinction at all. Christians are vanilla, and therefore the same.

What about swingers? Are they vanilla? Or someo ther kind of relationship? Aside from their shared interests (and the rules, communication and protocol to go with them, not to mention lower divorce rates than the average), are they not a relationship? Vanilla or not?

To me, that's what this is all about.

I don't think BDSM or D/s relationships are MORE anything except kinky sex or power exchange, or whatever.

In their basic form, they are simply relationships, with shared interests added on. They are no greater in trust, intimacy, longevity... anything.

In my view.


Agreed, except there are christian kinksters and those who are monogamous without religious or spiritual belief. Also, to NorthernGent,religious individuals are not so closeminded. I know how to convert to Judaism because an Israeli boy fell in love with me and was sworn to secrecy. I also know a muslim fellow who has no problem marrying outside of race or religion, in fact he did and abhors intolerance. We can debate the differences all day but the fact is there are vanilla people I would trust more than some kinksters. Everything is interchangeable in such regard, including "submission" and "Dominance". Only difference MIGHT be the degree of kink expected or desired.
ETA; Also, I do not subscribe to this "vanilla not enough or cannot change" idea. I have met many kinksters in vanilla sites who have never logged into a fetish site in their lives. As for myself, I know kink far, far better than vanilla relationships so in a sense I am "discovering vanilla" and it doesn't seem bland, at least not for me but then I think I am like how others are with vanilla. Exhausted every kink activity out there and now anything I do is repetitive. Riding a jetski is fun. Waterskiing, kayaking, watching a flambe get made etc. My travels were grand but realize I cherish experiences in vanilla context more with good company. And the desire to make me happy is my favorite form of submission, be it from a kinky or vanilla fellow. I discovered this after doing almost every kink one can imagine over the years and desiring more. Hope that makes sense.
Edited to also add; it might also be no matter who I am with I will be compromising kink because there are many activities I enjoy than they do, so I suppose I see vanilla as no different. And I am so primal I doubt sex would be boring. Most Doms might be able to relate to this last sentence. We sort of have to evolve with the sub I feel. I have never been the same D with a different sub.

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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 6:35:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Also, to NorthernGent,religious individuals are not so closeminded.



Hello GoddessManko,

For clarity, I didn't say, nor insinuate, that 'religious individuals' are 'closed minded'.`

As it happens, although not religious myself, I'm one of those who has no problem with religion and has never believed the 'religion is the root of evil' line.




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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 7:37:16 AM   
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What about swingers? Are they vanilla? Or someo ther kind of relationship? Aside from their shared interests (and the rules, communication and protocol to go with them, not to mention lower divorce rates than the average), are they not a relationship? Vanilla or not?



I had an interesting conversation with my eldest son a couple of years ago. He was going to a rock concert and I asked him if he was taking his girlfriend. He said, "nope mum, she's totally vanilla". Intrigued, I asked him what he meant and he said, "she doesn't like rock music". Vanilla is a widely used word with youngsters today and simply means, not into what I'm into; therefore, anyone not into swinging is vanilla to a swinger and anyone not into BDSM is vanilla to us.


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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 8:04:09 AM   
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What about swingers? Are they vanilla? Or someo ther kind of relationship? Aside from their shared interests (and the rules, communication and protocol to go with them, not to mention lower divorce rates than the average), are they not a relationship? Vanilla or not?



I had an interesting conversation with my eldest son a couple of years ago. He was going to a rock concert and I asked him if he was taking his girlfriend. He said, "nope mum, she's totally vanilla". Intrigued, I asked him what he meant and he said, "she doesn't like rock music". Vanilla is a widely used word with youngsters today and simply means, not into what I'm into; therefore, anyone not into swinging is vanilla to a swinger and anyone not into BDSM is vanilla to us.



"Vanilla" as a term has been used that way for a long time. It just means "plain" or boring.

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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 8:42:41 AM   
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I had an interesting conversation with my eldest son a couple of years ago. He was going to a rock concert and I asked him if he was taking his girlfriend. He said, "nope mum, she's totally vanilla". Intrigued, I asked him what he meant and he said, "she doesn't like rock music". Vanilla is a widely used word with youngsters today and simply means, not into what I'm into; therefore, anyone not into swinging is vanilla to a swinger and anyone not into BDSM is vanilla to us.



"Vanilla" as a term has been used that way for a long time. It just means "plain" or boring.


I categorize anything non-kinky as vanilla, but speaking of which, I just had one of the most rewarding conversations with an ex-subplaymate of mine. Great guy who I chat with now and then. It kind of put me in a great mood.
He asked me questions about rope recently, I offered my advice and apparently he Dommed a female. WELL!
Wasn't that just an eye opener for him. He said to me (still tickled by this);
"It is such a different experience. I had to think a lot. It is a lot of responsibility when you're in charge. She got thirsty and had to get her water etc. It was almost like WORK." I told him "yes, welcome to my world, LOL. Keep the comments coming."
It was followed by many including "Control the mind, the body will follow" and a "thank you Domina".
It was NICE to hear these things from a sub. He so gets the entire concept of domming by putting it to practice, I have to say I'm proud of him. He said 5 hours of fun with a spreader bar and other devices and thanked me for my help and advice in helping him prepare.

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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 9:53:15 AM   
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Would you say that a D/s relationship and a Vanilla relationship are ultimately no different from each other? I mean when you break them down a few details may be different but the core values of both relationships types are the same like trust and respect. I ask because I know some people say a Vanilla relationship is different from a BDSM relationship but I've never really seen the difference.


I agree trust and respect are hallmarks of both relatonships and so the difference is in how we interact while engaged in activities the vanilla couple would never consider doing but which the D/s couple would never consider not doing.

It is what we do with trust and respect that sets us apart.

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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 11:33:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

That said, however, the OP asked: firstly, are these relationships no different?; secondly, are they underpinned by trust and respect?


I took that as one question. Paraphrasing:

"Are they different, really? After all, they all share the same foundation of..."

So, in your assessment, I agree with you.

And there ARE and have been in this thread, those who say vanilla relationships do NOT have the same depth of foundational trust, etc.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I had an interesting conversation with my eldest son a couple of years ago. He was going to a rock concert and I asked him if he was taking his girlfriend. He said, "nope mum, she's totally vanilla". Intrigued, I asked him what he meant and he said, "she doesn't like rock music". Vanilla is a widely used word with youngsters today and simply means, not into what I'm into; therefore, anyone not into swinging is vanilla to a swinger and anyone not into BDSM is vanilla to us.


Yes, exactly.

So, vanilla relationships are just... relationships. As are ours.

*smiles*

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"It is such a different experience. I had to think a lot. It is a lot of responsibility when you're in charge. She got thirsty and had to get her water etc. It was almost like WORK." I told him "yes, welcome to my world, LOL. Keep the comments coming."


THIS ^^^ is why I love switches. LOL!



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RE: Is there really a difference between BDSM and Vanilla? - 12/12/2014 1:40:58 PM   
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I took that as one question. Paraphrasing:

"Are they different, really? After all, they all share the same foundation of..."

So, in your assessment, I agree with you.

And there ARE and have been in this thread, those who say vanilla relationships do NOT have the same depth of foundational trust, etc.



Fair enough. No real difference of opinion then.


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